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Free will but how free really?

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ringo
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Message 88 of 182 (812085)
06-14-2017 4:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 87 by 1.61803
06-14-2017 4:37 PM

~1.6 writes:
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We all had to start somewhere.
Religion and mythology was part of that story.
Religion: the kindergarten of knowledge.
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Message 96 of 182 (812195)
06-15-2017 11:44 AM 		Reply to: Message 95 by New Cat's Eye
06-15-2017 10:46 AM

New Cat's Eye writes:
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Finding God showed me the way to finding my self.
So your self was what you needed all along. "God" was just a means to that end. You might as well say, "Rock climbing showed me the way to finding myself," or, "Marriage showed me the way to finding myself," or, "LSD showed me the way to finding myself."
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Message 98 of 182 (812201)
06-15-2017 12:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 97 by New Cat's Eye
06-15-2017 12:07 PM

New Cat's Eye writes:
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But they didn't...
Maybe you needed more than one marriage.
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Message 100 of 182 (812207)
06-15-2017 12:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 99 by Stile
06-15-2017 12:26 PM

Stile writes:
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People are different, and different methods are going to be required in order to reach the same goal ("happiness").
Some people say that the journey is more important than the destination. Sometimes the route passes through Fantasy Land.
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Message 102 of 182 (812213)
06-15-2017 12:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 101 by New Cat's Eye
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New cat's Eye writes:
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I've never been married.
I didn't think you had - but you said that my examples didn't work for you. Maybe marriage would have a similar effect as religion.
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06-15-2017 1:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 103 by New Cat's Eye
06-15-2017 1:19 PM

New Cat's Eye writes:
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I was practically married.
Then, as I said, maybe you needed more than one "practical" marriage. What you have is one data point. I'm just suggesting that there may be others.
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07-04-2017 11:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 153 by Phat
07-03-2017 4:45 PM

Re: How Free Are We?
Phat writes:
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Watch how many people again believe once a global crisis takes away their material security!
That's an empty prediction.
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07-05-2017 3:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 164 by Phat
07-05-2017 1:50 AM

Re: How Free Are We?
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What do you mean by "empty"?
I mean that your prediction - i.e. people will flock to religion in a crisis - has no basis.
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