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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Nonsense.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 8.0 |
Coyote writes: frako writes:
Try climbing a few dozen miles of bad roads, rising some five thousand feet, with a heavy trailer and three fat horses with all their tack and the camping gear. For example, he is talking about hauling a three horse trailer into the wilderness. As long as the road isnt too rough my passat 1,9 TDI could do it with ease (has done it) 105 hp but tones of torque diesel baby and if my math is correct 42 miles per gallon. Wimpy little cars need not apply. It's self-correcting, Coyote. Oil will become less and less available. Lower supply with continually growing demand simply means higher prices, until you can't afford to fuel that truck any more. That's not a "liberal agenda," it has nothing to do with government regulation, it's a simple fact that there is a finite supply of natural hydrocarbons and we are blowing through it at a rate far faster than it could ever be replenished. That's why increasing pressure to develop alternatives to gasoline and diesel are needed - we need to develop those alternatives before we can no longer afford to drive our current vehicles. If an electric/hybrid/Hydrogen/whatever truck were developed with equal hauling power to your existing truck, would you drive it, all else being equal?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
fearandloathing writes: Coyote writes: You'll be able to rent a 4x4 if needed.
Gee, that's big of you. The guvmnt will come by to save us, real soon now. You libs sure seem good at trying to order our lives for us. Don't know what we'd do without your help. (But I'd like to try.) No one is saying you have to give up your car or truck, I know I wont either. What is being said is that public transit could help reduce our use of fossil fuels. Nobody is disputing that. Those who can use public transit should do so. Also, cities should be redesigned to make travel less necessary, with residential units in close proximity to shopping and employment. What I dispute is the jackbooted libs who want to force their choices on the rest of us--for our own good, of course.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Try climbing a few dozen miles of bad roads, rising some five thousand feet, with a heavy trailer and three fat horses with all their tack and the camping gear. Who the fuck gives a shit about horses, Coyote? That's nothing more than one of your rural America elitist affectations. Do you think the average American knows shit-all about horses? Man, how out of touch with the average American can you get? (Also - what, are your horses just lazy? If it's so important for them to get up a hill, let them out to walk.)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Rahvin writes: Coyote writes: frako writes:
Try climbing a few dozen miles of bad roads, rising some five thousand feet, with a heavy trailer and three fat horses with all their tack and the camping gear. For example, he is talking about hauling a three horse trailer into the wilderness. As long as the road isnt too rough my passat 1,9 TDI could do it with ease (has done it) 105 hp but tones of torque diesel baby and if my math is correct 42 miles per gallon. Wimpy little cars need not apply. It's self-correcting, Coyote. Oil will become less and less available. Lower supply with continually growing demand simply means higher prices, until you can't afford to fuel that truck any more. That's not a "liberal agenda," it has nothing to do with government regulation, it's a simple fact that there is a finite supply of natural hydrocarbons and we are blowing through it at a rate far faster than it could ever be replenished. That's why increasing pressure to develop alternatives to gasoline and diesel are needed - we need to develop those alternatives before we can no longer afford to drive our current vehicles. If an electric/hybrid/Hydrogen/whatever truck were developed with equal hauling power to your existing truck, would you drive it, all else being equal? Sure. And I am all in favor of alternatives. What I object to are mandates, and that is what libs seem especially good at. Public transit is good for the northeastern corridor so everyone has to use it! (We studied at Harvard and Yale so we know what's best for the rest of you.)
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So far you are the only one talking about mandates.
Change though is coming whether YOU like it or not. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
crashfrog writes: Try climbing a few dozen miles of bad roads, rising some five thousand feet, with a heavy trailer and three fat horses with all their tack and the camping gear. Who the fuck gives a shit about horses, Coyote? That's nothing more than one of your rural America elitist affectations. Do you think the average American knows shit-all about horses? Man, how out of touch with the average American can you get? (Also - what, are your horses just lazy? If it's so important for them to get up a hill, let them out to walk.) I didn't see a smilie there, but I am assuming one. ;-)
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Jon Inactive Member |
What I dispute is the jackbooted libs who want to force their choices on the rest of us Such people don't exist. This is just your neo-conservative boogieman. Like the boogieman in the closet, it ain't real. Love your enemies!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
What I dispute is the jackbooted libs who want to force their choices on the rest of us--for our own good, of course.
As yet you have not shown that anyone is doing this. All you have is your lame conservative appeal to peoples base emotions. Please show us where someone is trying to force you to give up your truck. Just one example is all I need. And please quit claiming the rural areas for all your head in the sand conservatives. There are a lot of us liberals in the heartland. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
jar writes: So far you are the only one talking about mandates. Change though is coming whether YOU like it or not. And if I don't like your "change?" What is it, the reeducation camps? Your dogmatism, and your apparent willingness to force your "change" on others does you no credit.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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I see we're at the part where the facts offend your delicate, elitist sensibilities - so they're simply rejected.
Just the sort of narrow parochialism rurals are known for, I'm afraid.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
Wouldn't you be happier in New York or San Francisco? There are a lot of us liberals in the heartland. They are fine places, I hear. ;-)
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Coyote writes: jar writes: So far you are the only one talking about mandates. Change though is coming whether YOU like it or not. And if I don't like your "change?" What is it, the reeducation camps? Your dogmatism, and your apparent willingness to force your "change" on others does you no credit. Change is called reality son. Don't much matter whether you like it or not. It's the world folk in the US decided to make, and now they are gonna have to learn to live with it. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I see you completely ignored the meat of my post. Classic. Guess it means you got nothing. As I expected.
Theodoric writes: As yet you have not shown that anyone is doing this. All you have is your lame conservative appeal to peoples base emotions. Please show us where someone is trying to force you to give up your truck. Just one example is all I need. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
It's been fun playing with you folks, but it's dinner time.
I'll leave you with this: Code of the West (from "Cowboy Ethics: What Wall Street Can Learn from the Code of the West" by James P. Owen)
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