PROOF OF GOD

It is amazing what students are being taught about the Great Pyramid. The following site touches on a number of issues, and these are typical of what is being taught in schools, everywhere.http://users.bigpond.net.au/turtle/pyramid/pyramid.htmlFor those that have reviewed the research of Livio C. Stecchini concerning ancient Eygpt, the Pharaoh's of that land knew exactly where they were on this planet. He does not speculate how they knew, but they had precise knowledge on the exact size of the earth, something we did not determine until 1957. Current historical evidence supports the above statement.

This is not the topic that is currently being discussed.

Do not start down the path talking about ancient civilizations. Stick to this topic!If you want to talk about evidence for what "cycles" there have been open another topic.

Willowtree Yes but your four sources offer no evidence of this or you would shoot me down while my one source,using available star catalogues and rendering software to position stars over time,shows that Thuban,while most definitely a pole star, could not have been such at the designated year of 2141 B.C..Unless you are willing to offer their calculations to refute this then I will assume you are merely deflecting the evidence I offer in order to avoid dealing with it.If your sources cannot back up their claim with the means by which they drew their conclusion then they are talking out of their hat.If they state that Thuban was a pole star in 2141 B.C. by all means they must have a means of verifying such a claim.This is simple.Merely have your sources provide star maps of the sky in 2141 B.C. showing Thuban to occupy the pole position and you can claim some level of veracity for theirs and your position on this.

NosyNed,Willowtree talked about the Giza Pyramid being located in the middle of the earth, is not the percularity of its location in the middle of the earths land mass all part of its perculiarity, its location. What are you moderating a Free For All thread, are some of your topic threads dying on the vine, perhaps you should put this topic back to faith and belief, Geology, or create another topic but if you leave it in the free for all, then you shouldn't be moderating it. Thats why its called the free for all, and issues of faith shouldn't be banned, It is interesting that its documented that Adam was to be buried in the middle of the earth, this was written long before "man" knew the center of the land masses was the location of the Giza Pyramid, perhaps the Second Book of Adam and Eve is this is the evidence that God was responsible for the location of the Giza Pyramid, the topic is Proof of God in respect to the building of the pyramid, its quite interesting to see words written that the center of the land mass, in respect to prophecy that is evidence that God knew, and in the gospel of Matthew God calls out the Lord out of Eygpt fullfilling prophecy within the Second Book of Adam and Eve, its only in todays time that we know by satellight topographic maps that the location of the Pyramid is located in the middle of the land mass, and that Jesus exodus to Egypt was to fullfill prophecy, in respect to Adams burial, that Salvation coming from the middle of the earth, from where Shem buried Adams bones. If the Pyramid was not located within the middle of the land masses then the Second Book of Adam and Eve concerning the middle of the earth, wouldn't be relevant(Proof of God), given the Gospel of Matthew where God called the Lord out of Egypt, fullfilling a prophecy, and how is not prophecy not proof of God. It is quite interesting that Adam was to be buried in the middle of the earth, and located in the middle of the earth is this Great Giza Pyramid, built on a flat plateau mountain, suggesting it was built pre-flood, that its the roof built by Seth, the mountain Plateau upon which Seth lived, and in this place Adams body was buried, and that the Lord was called out from Egypt, from the place from which Adams body was buried, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 08-01-2004 10:21 AM

Just as a point of order - Paragraphs are our friends.

Free for all or not, you will not be posting if you think you can ignore reasonable requests. Thank you for your consideration. Even here topic is a useful thing to allow us to manage to reach some conclusion.

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Ned, You're not suppose to be moderating within this forum. Because anything goes, no holds barred, flame-on, this is a safe haven from moderators, for those that don't like moderators.Free For All
Don't like moderators? Then this is the forum for you. Anything goes, no holds barred, flame-on.

How was not I on topic, in respect that the Giza Pryamid is Proof of God, in respect to prophecy written within the first and second book of Adam and Eve, why can I not infer that Seth built it, and use the roof over the altar to be the very Pryamid of Giza, and how this confirs with Willowtrees first post, etc...Its a free for all thread, its all part of the flame on thing, stirup things, no holds barred, God did it, prophecy, location, the Lord being called out of Egypt, that it was built on a mountain plateau, and Seth lived on a mountain plateau, correlations between scriptures, and the natural terrain that existed pre-flood, that the Giza pyramid was built on a mountain plateau, etc...P.S. Willowtree in his very first post quoted Isaiah chapter 19Isaiah 19
19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.This message has been edited by whatever, 08-01-2004 11:37 AM

It was Gilgamesh that introduced the term "cycles".The whole premise of the pyramid being proof of God has been addressed before, and those who have done so were either unaware of or totally dismissed outside evidence. WT cites evidence in Smyth's book as an important basis of his argument, but he does not point out the all consuming hatred Smyth had for anything Egyptian, in fact any civilization that preceded his "enlightened" Christian view. The Introduction to Smyth's book is a precursor of the slant he presents to all the "evidence" he identifies. In a particular condemning diatribe about the wicked Egyptians, he ends the paragraph with this:

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But theGreat Pyramid is, in its origins and nature, something pure and perfectly different.

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This statement is introducing his theory that divine guidance was needed to built the pyramid the way it was. Another quote cuts directly to the chase,

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Modern Astronomers are involuntarily proving that Man, unaided by supernatural Divine Power, could not possibly have measured the Sun-distance accurately in the Age of the Great Pyramid; and yet it is recorded there with exceeding accuray.

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In Chapter 4, Smyth titles a section thus,"The Great Pyramid before Science", and that is a whole of his premise, the Ancient Egyptians knew nothing and he fills his book with Biblical quote after quote to support his contention. Smyth's views had considerable influence on those that later investigated the pyramid, and it is this "divine" evidence Smyth pushed that supported the views of Rutherford and Lemesurier. Smyth knew nothing about all the astronomical knowledge that is now known to have been used by the ancient Egyptians in the periods before and after the time of the Great Pyramid. (See Stechinni and related metrology research.)To isolate the Great Pyramid from its surroundings, as "Proof of God", is placing oneself in the position of the blind men, each, with conviction, describing an elephant by examining just one part.

The topic under discussion is given in post 400. Is there any evidence that there is anything special about the GP at all?If you have something to contribute to that then please do so.

Your 286.1 figure is not a fundamental constant like pi, e or h (Planck's constanct). It is a figure of Christian numerologists of no significance that has been demonstrated thus far in this thread.If your claim that the socket stones form the perimeter of a hypothetical original design depends upon the significance of your 286.1 figure, then you will have to first provide evidence that 286.1 has some real significance.Without this evidence, you have nothing to support your claim that the socket stones represent an "original design". Since 286.1 has no meaning that we know of as of yet, the fact that the casing stones eventually meet the socket stones below pavement level is evidence that the socket stones are a key component of the Great Pyramid, and not part of some hypothetical original design. If the socket stones were not there then the base of the casing would have no footing.As further evidence that the socket stones are not the foundation of some other pyramid, they are not placed in an accurate square. That's because the height at which the base of the casing stones meet bedrock varies according to the height of the bedrock at each corner. The deviation from a true square of the socket stones varies by just the amount required for the casing stones to meet them at bedrock level. Just in the name of accuracy I'll mention that describing Petrie as embacing Smyth would be a bit of an exaggeration. He confirmed Smyth's measurement of the socket stone base lengths is about all you can say based on the passage you quoted.But no one here is disputing Smyth's figures. I haven't ever bothered confirming if the difference is 286.1 because 286.1 has no significance that we know of at this point. I am merely asserting the obvious, namely that we have no evidence for what that angle would be. We don't even have any evidence that there's an "original design" yet. Your "original design" theory depends upon whether 286.1 has any significance, and your 286.1 claim requires that there be an original design. No one is disputing this. But your hypothetical pyramid was never built. You can't say what angle they might have used. This is a bit gramatically garbled, so I'm not sure what you're actually saying. To resolve the confusion, here's the diagram again. The brown slice is *not* your full design. It's just the side of the Great Pyramid:
Click for full size image.--Percy

Ned, So you changed the thread topic at post 400, hmmm....however, but my question is directed to Percy, zzzzzzzzzzzzzPost #1, of this thread, free for all, not just your topic.P.S. This kind of explains why you felt I posted off topic, I never responded to your topic, just responded to Willowtrees topic, that the pyramid about being an altar to God, and a Pillar on the border, etc...

The topic is:The great pyramid as "proof of God".WT has made very specific claims about the physical nature and position of the GP. They are simply summarized in post 400 not changed. WT has agreed with this. Unless those claims are both true and in some way mysterious the GP isn't proof of anything.If you agree with WT then you may contribute to the topic by supporting those claims with some actual evidence that we can all scrutinize. If you can't do that your ramblings will not be welcome.It is a matter of being somewhat well mannered instead of disruptive.