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Topic: How do we know God is "Good"?
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Dan Carroll
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Does everyone - in the scripture, mean Noah and his family? No, because they are specifically identified as being saved. Do you see the babies specifically identified as being saved, Mike? Let's see the quote, Mr. "trust what's in the scripture."
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 287 of 305 (160975)
11-18-2004 9:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 278 by Ben!
11-18-2004 3:53 AM
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Welcome to the forum.  You are very reasonable if you are a none-believer.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 278 by Ben!, posted 11-18-2004 3:53 AM | | Ben! has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 291 by Ben!, posted 11-18-2004 10:25 AM | | mike the wiz has replied |
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contracycle
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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Contracycle - you've made the logical error of thinking I've claimed that thee were no babies on earth.
Not exactly. I have claimed that god is an evil murderous bastard. You claim that this is not true, and that god is good, becuase UNLESS I can show you a signed confession by god that he butchered children you refuse to believe it. If you are now retreating, and saying you do not have a position on babies or otherwise, my claim that god butchered whole populations and is evil stands unchallenged. Game, set, and match.
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Oh dear - this just shows you haven't bothered to read my posts. Jesu Christ claims God is the only one who is good. Which is - erm,..backed up by the bible, because it is in the bible. Your claims however - about specific baby death - haven't been backed up by the bible.
Not exactly. I have claimed that god is an evil murderous bastard Listen - I myself in that link, argued against God in the OT, SO I understand why you and Shraff and Dan say these things, according to your understanding(just like I did). The fact is though, that giving God the blame for man's sins is all too easy. I also got myself into this trap, but now see that all sin and wickedness is of us. Now if you can show me where Christ murdered. Thanks. Isn't it remarkable how any mention of Christ is ignored in every single point I make?. Maybe you think I'm a Jew.
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AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: 10-11-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
The topic IS "How do we know GOD is 'Good'?" If Jesus is NOT the same as God, then your question is off topic. If he IS the same as God then your question is moot.
AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe
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Ben!
Member (Idle past 1420 days) Posts: 1161 From: Hayward, CA Joined: 10-14-2004
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Thanks for the kind welcome and words Mike. I think you'll find I'm reasonable, no matter what topic I talk about. I guess people need to understand the difference between rationality and irrationality, and where each apply. I was fortunate enough to have met insightful people who helped me understand these two. So anyway, thanks, and thanks. And try to keep what you said in mind when we start to disagree on something, OK?  Ben
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AdminJar
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Message 292 of 305 (160997)
11-18-2004 10:29 AM
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Time to get in any last comments, Folk.
We are approaching the witching hour and so get in any final comments. The question is, " How do we know God is "Good"?" Summary anyone?
How pierceful grows the hazy yon! How myrtle petaled thou! For spring hath sprung the cyclotron How high browse thou, brown cow? -- Churchy LaFemme, 1950
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Since Gilgamesh chose the "Christian's" God to attack, I fail to see how I am unable to mention God.
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 294 of 305 (161008)
11-18-2004 10:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 291 by Ben!
11-18-2004 10:25 AM
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Okay, I'll keep that in mind. But - A good start in my view, to be this objective and logical.
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 295 of 305 (161015)
11-18-2004 10:49 AM
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I have one last comment. Shraff is a sweaty pie baba cutie. {NOT GOING TO DO A SEPERATE MESSAGE (it would be off-topic reply to an very off-topic message) AND YOU NEED NOT REPLY, BUT... Mike, why are you posting stupidity of this nature? You've also done a fair amount of the like before. If you must, you should find a better home for it, and supply any links to "related" topics. - Adminnemooseus} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 11-18-2004 11:26 AM
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AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: 10-11-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Where did I say you were unable to mention god? Is Christ god or not?
AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe
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contracycle
Inactive Member
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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Your claims however - about specific baby death - haven't been backed up by the bible.
No no - I deduce baby death from the context, just like others have done. I am not advancing absurd claims to baby-less societies or anything so ridiculous.
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The fact is though, that giving God the blame for man's sins is all too easy. I also got myself into this trap, but now see that all sin and wickedness is of us.
God is all powerful - god was not compelled to act, god CHOSE to act. I can and will hold your terrorist (and imaginary) god accountable for those crimes. So earlier I asked you if I would be justified in killing you if I decided you were sinful. You have not answered this as yet. What is it? Becuase that is the only defence you have for god. Yourt argument is basically that might makes right. Saddam hussein executed "terrorists" by putting them in pits with grenade clusters. Was Saddam rigjt to do so becuase of thiose people were sinful? Is that all murder needs to be legitimate - power and criticism?
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Isn't it remarkable how any mention of Christ is ignored in every single point I make?
No, its not remarkable, ITS OFF TOPIC. You are emrely trying to twist away from the argument.
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 298 of 305 (161046)
11-18-2004 11:29 AM
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Off-topic? Lol. "Get him in bootcamp - we can't refute him!" Okay Asgara - I'm ready for prison now. Listen, I didn't force Gilgamesh to write "Christian" in message one. If he's going to mention us - then he'll have to put up with the fact that we're not Jews.
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 299 of 305 (161053)
11-18-2004 11:41 AM
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Way, way back somewhere - I said "God didn't say there were any babies in Sodom". This claim is only that God didn't say it in the scripture. THIS is a fact, he didn't. Since then you have blown it out of proportion, as a strawman that I am claiming there were no babies. Please read my posts specifically, and don't try and make a "silly mike" decoy to avoid providing quotes to the actual statement of fact. This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-18-2004 11:43 AM
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 300 of 305 (161055)
11-18-2004 11:51 AM
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People in this thread have jumped on the "silly mike" train Ned invoked way back there somewhere. When infact I have only mentioned what the bible specifically claims in repsonse to the claims that God killed babies. Since I wasn't at Sodom at the time, I can only look at the scripture - where the angels of the Lord ask for anyone son or daughter to be removed, from the men who were considered righteouss. Since the aim is for people to make God look bad, rather than looking at what he says in the scripture - that he would spare Sodom if there were even ten righteouss, then why should I help them? And so, I feel a quote from the scripture is necessary, that I may believe the bible. But if it doesn't specifically mention baby death, I am forced to not observe it, through default. As in, I wasn't there to witness it. Now since there is a posibility of local flood etc..it makes it all the more important to observe the new logical pathways. Since Dan things that "everyone" doesn't include certain people, how am I to know that God didn't secretly spare some others on a remote Island somewhere? Jar - this is message 300, stop waiting for atheists to get the last word.
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