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coffee_addict
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Message 16 of 31 (189288)
02-28-2005 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by AdminJar
02-28-2005 5:38 PM


Re: Topic Folk
I disagree. Yes, it is off topic if I try to bring up a discussion about the amendment. However, it is not off topic if I try to bring up a discussion about the hypocrisy of saying "I obey god's law..." and then turn around and try to violate other people's rights.
Bearing false witness is bearing false witness, period.
I am not trying to bring up a discussion about these things. I am trying to bring up the hypocrisy surrounding these things, which I think is on topic. What was the topic again?
Christian advice among believers.
I ascribe to a certain code of religious teaching, but I am never afraid to question the rationale or the usefulness within my belief. Sometimes this puts me at odds with the church that I attend and in fact most churches.

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Message 17 of 31 (189290)
02-28-2005 5:58 PM
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02-28-2005 5:51 PM


After reviewing the Instant Replay ...
the ruling of the Field Judge stands.
You are assesed a One Time-Out Penalty.
Take them to a different Mill.

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Message 18 of 31 (189337)
02-28-2005 9:11 PM
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02-28-2005 5:28 PM


I don't support bannings on gay marriage. Why would you say that?
Can you show me an example of me bearing false witness?
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Message 19 of 31 (189338)
02-28-2005 9:14 PM
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02-28-2005 5:51 PM


Re: Topic Folk
ironic that you violated #9

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Message 20 of 31 (189340)
02-28-2005 9:15 PM
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02-28-2005 9:11 PM


Let's drop this
It doesn't really help the discussion along and is likely to bring the discussion to a sudden halt. I have already asked Lam to drop it, now I'm asking you.
Let those two side topics just die.

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Message 21 of 31 (189342)
02-28-2005 9:27 PM
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02-28-2005 9:15 PM


Re: Let's drop this
I don't think it's right to misrepresent someone with a hateful view

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Message 22 of 31 (189344)
02-28-2005 9:31 PM
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Re: Let's drop this
See Message 17.

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Message 23 of 31 (189353)
02-28-2005 9:49 PM
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Re: Let's drop this
k sorry jar

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Message 24 of 31 (189354)
02-28-2005 9:50 PM
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02-28-2005 5:41 PM


Re: I believe that is an important point.
IMHO, much of the New Testament is directed at the then existing Religious Bureaucracy. I believe the situation today would be one very familar to Jesus and that his reaction would be a significant dope slap across the back of many a televangelists head.
precisely. which is why i think it's funny when people say that the people of moses's time just weren't ready for jesus. they weren't ready for him 2000 years ago either. nor are they ready now.
it's bitterly ironic that the very things jesus railed against have become and integral part of the religion setup in his name.

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Message 25 of 31 (189358)
02-28-2005 9:55 PM
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02-28-2005 9:27 PM


Re: Let's drop this and pick up where I wanted to go
Hello everyone...I went and did my volunteer tutoring as today was my day off! My original topic starter was this:
Charles Knight brought up a good point concerning the fact that too many Christians are mere non questioning sheep who listen to the advice and ideology of their leaders. I have been on both sides of the fence in this debate. I ascribe to a certain code of religious teaching, but I am never afraid to question the rationale or the usefulness within my belief. Sometimes this puts me at odds with the church that I attend and in fact most churches. Do any of you believers or truth seekers find yourself at odds with the RULES?
I was talking more about some of the commone sense advice that I have received from Christian leaders...advice such as:
  • Being a Christian is not about trying to be good. It is about trusting God to empower you to change.
  • What is done to the least favored people is done to Christ Himself.
  • Praying constantly need not be a religious ritual. Praying constantly means dialoging in reverence with God as often as possible.
  • Obedience is better than sacrifice.
  • All the Bible is for us, but it is not all addressed to us or written about us..
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    Buzsaw
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    Message 26 of 31 (189361)
    02-28-2005 10:15 PM
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    02-28-2005 4:13 PM


    Re: Buz catching up.
    Added by adminjar to show the links that led to this thread. Buzz (if you see this jump in) (Message 77)
    I wasn't paying attention and posted in the other thread. Here's what I said which also applies to this thread.
    Charles question:
    Do you think that too many people are trusting others to define their relationship with Jesus and God? Rather than rely on what the bible and the spirit tells them?
    Buzz/Phat - if you see this, I'd love to get your views on this?
    maybe we should spin this into another thread?
    Hi Charles. I'll try to respond to this in a manner so as to keep on topic.
    1. I'm reading a lot of stuff here about Christian talk boards and Christians in general, some of which disturbs me as to the charges. If some of the sites like Terry's TO is as intolerant and inhospitable to outsiders as it appears, it appears as per charges that they have a problem. Having been closely associated with dozens of fundamentalist Christian organizations and churches over the years, unfortunately, I tend to think some of the charges may be valid.
    2. Charles, imo, your question has hit heavily on the problem. Too many Christians and specifically too many pastors, evangelists, web masters, university professors, teachers, et al have a problem somewhat like science professionals have, imho. They've been indoctrinated via an assembly line of technitions who have programed into their minds what their minds should think and how they should act from 1st kindegarten on up. For example, I've been interested in Biblical prophecy since a kid. I've read scores of books on it, but not until I focused in on THE BOOK have I been able to sort things out to make sense and harmonize.
    3. According to the NT, the fruit of the Holy Spirit is, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. Galations 5:22, 23. Read this list slowly and thoughfully. If we who call ourselves Christians would bear these fruits in our daily lives, we'd still be persecuted and despised for our message, but not for our conduct, as seems to be the problem here.
    4. Guess what Charles? Jesus prophesied through John the revelator in Revelation 3:14-22 as to the problem with end time Christianity. Imo, the letters to the seven churches are prophetic as is all of Revelation. The last and 7th church period, imo is our age, i.e, the Laodicean church period. Even God is highly ticked at us in general, to the point of spitting us out of his mouth. Nevertheless that is not to say all Christians are Laodicean/lukewarm The last verse says we can be overcomers and admonishes us to be so. God hates lukewarmness. He'd rather we be either cold or hot for him as the text goes.
    5. I've said the above to say this: Don't judge Christ or Christianity, websites, web forum boards or individual churches or groups of Christians by certain individuals in them including their leaders. Judge Christians on the basis of the New Testament, the apostles of Jesus and Jesus himself. Do so also with Muslims and other religions. Saddam H and Ben L and their fundie people are not madmen. They, like good Christians follow the teaching and practices of their Lord/master/prophet Mohammed. Devout Catholics have over the centuries followed the teachings and practices of their holy fathers, the popes and history attests to the tradgic results during the dark ages. Jim Bakker's people did likewise, as did/do J Swaggart's. And getting closer to home, I've been in certain very intolerant and unhospitable Baptist kind of churches as well as other denominations. I've also been in some very good Baptist kind of churches, some independent or other denominations.
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    In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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    Message 27 of 31 (189364)
    02-28-2005 10:40 PM
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    02-28-2005 5:29 PM


    Yeah it is so corrupt. This doesn't deserve the title christianity.

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    Message 28 of 31 (189384)
    03-01-2005 12:41 AM
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    02-28-2005 5:29 PM


    in the sense that he would not be impressed how many have used the church to fill their own pockets and increase their power.
    Christian organizations, like secular organizations often solicit and take in millions of dollars. Some of each kind are corrupt and some are good. Some have millionare CEOs and others have modest CEOs and administrations. One needs to do some homework before judging either, imo. There's the Jim Bakker kind and there's the Franklin and Billy Graham and the Jerry Fallwell kind. The three latter are known to benefit thousands, some very needy folks. As to Falwell and the Graham's living style and salaries, I'm not aware however. I do know of on Bible College in New Brunswick where the chancelor gets paid the same as the professors, none of who get big salaries. It is the New Brunswick Bible Institute, and is one which is very affordable for the students.

    In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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    Message 29 of 31 (189654)
    03-02-2005 1:42 PM
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    02-28-2005 9:55 PM


    Re: Let's drop this and pick up where I wanted to go
    How about, "Just pray through it."? I've seen some people who have gotten that advice who really need years of counselling and probably strong medication......

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    LinearAq
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    Message 30 of 31 (190089)
    03-04-2005 4:32 PM
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    02-28-2005 9:55 PM


    Re: Let's drop this and pick up where I wanted to go
    It appeared that you were referring to rules as stated by the particular denominations.
    Like: No dancing, no drinking ....etc
    Are you now talking about crazy stuff like the Christian rumor mill?
    You know: "Johnson and Johnson's trademark is an occultic symbol...they must be in league with the devil"
    or
    "Fantasy games will lead your children right into Satan's arms"
    or even
    "One of those male Teletubbies carries a purse....the producers of Teletubbies are promoting a gay agenda"
    These are extreme examples of what I have seen going on but generally I have opposed non-Biblical rules or advice within my church. Admittedly, the promotors of this woo-woo advice are well meaning but I think that agreement with this kind of stupid junk would (and has, in our church)derail their main focus.

    If faith is "...evidence of things hoped for and the substance of things not seen..." from what material do you build your faith?

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