Free will, or is it?

Hi Scientist, As I was reading this thread I was wondering why you were making the statements you were this sentence clears that up for me.You believe that predestination = something that is predetermined to be and cannot be changed any way shape form or fashion to be the same as.Foreknowledge which is knowing in advance what is going to happen and not being able or willing to change it. as the same thing.God stands at the beginning right now and views the end right now. He sees everything at once. He is not human He is not limited by time and space He is all those things. He knows what you are doing and will do. Could He change what you will do? Sure He could but if He did then you would have no free will. God has limited Himself to the point He will not interfere with your choices.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Logic,Welcome to EvC, Well it is like this Logic. Adam did put all of his descendants in a bad position (one separated from fellowship with God). But God sent His only begotten Son to buy you back from the from the penalty that Adam sold you into. He offers you a free full pardon from the penalty of that sin so you don't have to spend eternity in the lake of fire.God knew in His foreknowledge you were going to be here today and select my post to answer. He also put me here to tell you that all you have to do is believe in Him and trust His Son for your free full pardon.He also knows your choice. But He is not going to interfere with that choice.You do have free will it is your choice. Do you want to let the lake of fire be your fate. Do you want to change that.It is your choice. That is what free will is.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi CK, I don't know what you are all in a lather about. You don't believe any of it anyway.But no He can not cancel the contract. The contract was made with His only begotten Son. If He would pay the debt God the Father would give everyone eternal life who trusted in His Son.Thus the free pardon is there whether you believe in God or not makes no difference.All those who receive the free pardon does not have to suffer the consequences of Adams willful breaking of Gods Rule.So you have the free will to believe in God or not to believe in God.If you believe in God you have the option of trusting His Son for salvation or not trusting Him.That is free will.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Logic, You are entitled to believe anything you desire to believe Logic.Everyone chooses their future by the decisions they make today.You have heard Gods way If you exercise your free will and choose your way when you meet God face to face don't try to tell Him you never heard.Ah the beauty of free will.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Logic, I did not see this one until I went back to previous page to catch up reading.God has Angels that worship Him because they are made without choice of doing anything else. They are like robots. They do what they are programed to do.God wanted more. So He created man.
Now if He programs the man like the angels why bother?
God wanted to be loved, respected and worshiped just because He is God.
So before man was created, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit counted the cost of creating man.God knew Adam would sin and separate man from fellowship with God. But God did not want robots so He made Adam with the ability to choose.God the Father and God the Son made an agreement that God the Son would pay the price to purchase mankind back out of the bondage Adam would sell mankind into.God counted the cost and decided that He loved me enough He would make man and give me an opportunity to spend eternity with Him. I believe He would have done it if I had been the only one to accept His offer of a free pardon. That is what makes it so wonderful to me.Now I think you are wrong about the harvest.
Since there are many that never reach the point the man and woman did when they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God gets all of those and that includes the 88 who are aborted every minute.Then there are many who do exercise their free will and believe God to do what He says He will do.Since this is God's game and He made the rules, and knew the final score before He made the first man I am persuaded to believe He wins.God knew the choices everyone would make. If He was to interfere with your choice He would not get the desired result of you making your choice.You guys are supposed to have scientific minds. Look at what God did as a laboratory experiment.If you start an experiment you can let the experiment run it course or you can interfere. But if you interfere you are changing the results.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Logic, Free will is your choice.God created man and gave him the ability to choose.He limits Himself so as He will not interfere with your exercising your free choice. Even though He knows that choice whether it is the choice He wants you to make or not.And yes it takes it out of the control of anyone except YOU.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi CK, You have the same opportunity I had.All you have to do is exercise your free will trust God and receive the free full pardon right now.It is your choice. Exercise your free will.As of this moment you have no one to blame but yourself.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi bluegenes, I think that verse answers all your questions but one.I am not clairvoyant and there is not much I can prophesy about.I can prophesy that all those who exercise their free will and choose not to receive the free pardon offered by God will spend eternity in a lake of fire.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi CK, See: Message 42God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi bluegenes, I am the preacher, the message has been presented now it is up to you to exercise your free will. That is better odds than the scientific method put forth.Have you checked the odds of abiogenesis happening?The odds you give God is a lot better.Sounds like you have already exercised your free will and made your choice. You could change your mind.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Logic, Logic slight correction in that statement. Eve was deceived. The man was not deceived he chose to eat the fruit.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi bluegenes, bluegenes I am having a problem maybe you can explain it to me.You are not the first one that has made the statement God is responsible for them being here.Could you please explain to me how your mother and father exercising their free will to have sex which resulted in your mother becoming pregnant. Then further exercising their free will not to have you aborted make God responsible for you being here.Especially when you don't even believe He exists.Now you can exercise your free will and blow some more smoke if you desire.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi lano, lano a couple of thing tells me the man was not present to hear the conversation.The man was given a direct order from God not to eat the fruit and if he did he would die. This was prior to woman being created. Gen. 2:17The woman told the devil who was speaking to her through the serpent that they were not to eat or touch the fruit or die. If the man was there he would have corrected the woman as God had not mentioned touching the fruit. Gen. 3:3The devil speaking through the serpent did not tell a complete lie. He lied about dying but he did not lie about her eyes being opened. Gen. 3:5The woman saw the fruit was pleasant to the eyes and desired to make one wise. She took and ate.Dress it up any way you want the woman made a choice by using her free will. She chose to believe the devil speaking through the serpent than to believe her husband who had told her what God said and adding a little by himself.The man knew what God had said and he was adding extra precaution so the woman would not even touch the fruit. Having added this condition the man could not have been present to hear the conversation.The woman did give to the man and he did eat. Why would the man use his free will and choose to eat the fruit knowing he would die. I can only guess that he did not want to be alone and knowing the woman was going to die he chose to die with her.Further examination: When God asked the man if he had eaten of the tree (as if God did not know already) his answer was the woman gave to me and I did eat. Notice he did not mention the serpent.When God asked the woman she said the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. Beguiled = influenced by trickery, flattery, mislead, deluded or deceived.The woman claimed innocence by the fact she was deceived by the serpent.The man made no excuses.He did make a statement: "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." I know there are those who say the man was blaming God for giving him the woman. I don't see that at all in light of what he said in Gen. 2:24. I take it to mean if she was going to die he would choose to die with her.Rom. 5:19 tells us by one man's disobedience many were made sinners.
This does not say mankind or woman but denotes male.My conclusions:The woman was tricked into eating the fruit. The only effect it had was to influence the mans choice.The man knowing the woman was going to die used his free will and willfully chose to eat the fruit and die with the woman.Had he not eaten the fruit he would still be in the garden by himself.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi bluegenes, So you are saying when I see a statement like: "Closer to the topic, if your God already knew what I would decide, and he is responsible for producing me as I didn't choose to exist, why doesn't he burn himself for eternity, and cut out the hypocrisy? " I should assume someone is trolling and just ignore it altogether. Thanks for the information. So since you know God so well. Are saying that if He wants to give man an ability to use free will to make a choice to accept Him for who He is or not to accept Him He can not do it?What kind of reasoning is that? I'll use your word "weird".God is exercising his omnipotence in giving you the free will.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi CK, I do not suggest that my God does not know everything. In Fact I say He does know everything. Even to what you will eat for breakfast tomorrow morning if He allows you to see tomorrow, as your days are numbered and He knows to the exact moment you will draw your last breath.I do say God has limited Himself to not changing any decision man has made since the first man exercised his free will and ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. All of that man's descendants have had the knowledge of good and evil and have been given the authority to make their own decisions to do as they choose. God limited Himself in that He will not interfere with those decisions.You like many others who know not God equate His ability to see everything with controlling everything.People who do not believe in God and even those who believe in Him but have not been born again have no way of beginning to understand God.Isai 55:8 (KJV) For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.1Cor 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."