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Why is Faith a Virtue?

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nwr

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Message 4 of 294 (334411)
07-22-2006 9:03 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Chief Infidel
07-22-2006 6:53 PM

Why are faith-based beliefs even more of a virtue when held despite evidence to the contrary?

I can give you two examples of faith-based beliefs that were held contrary to the evidence:
The People's Temple (rev. Jim Jones)
Heaven's Gate

Sorry, but I don't see any virtue in these examples (nor in the folly of Young Earth Creationism).

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Message 65 of 294 (334691)
07-24-2006 12:38 AM

Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
07-24-2006 12:29 AM

Re: age

The flood has been thoroughly disproved.

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Message 97 of 294 (334790)
07-24-2006 9:39 AM

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07-24-2006 2:39 AM

Re: age

Did you mean that factually or tentitively?

The idea that there was a global flood within the last 100,000 years is factually disproved.

Whether there might have been a local flood, and whether that could have been the basis for the Noah's Ark story, is unsettled.

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Message 98 of 294 (334791)
07-24-2006 9:44 AM

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07-24-2006 3:06 AM

Re: age

There is no empirical evidence of the sort you desire for the condition of the earth a few thousand years ago, but there is tons of honest pure straight witness testimony.

There is no eyewitness testimony on Noah's flood.

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Message 141 of 294 (334984)
07-24-2006 7:40 PM

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07-24-2006 12:43 PM

Re: age

There is no eyewitness testimony on Noah's flood.

There is secondhand eyewitness testimony, which is all any of the written testimony is.

There isn't even secondhand eyewitness testimony.

"Second hand eyewitness testimony" is what is generally referred to as hearsay evidence. It has a poor reputation for accuracy, and is usually not permitted in courts.