Earth of Genesis 1:9

Hi Peg, You can base what you believe on assumptions, your reason, and notions if you want too.But I believe the Bible gives us enough information to know that the land mass was all in one place at one time and the inhabitants of the earth was scattered over the face of the earth and that the land mass was divided into the continents we have today.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

You said that in response to my request that you provide evidence for your absurd claim. You used that comment to weasel out of doing so.You can't have it both ways. If you expect others to provide evidence, you must provide evidence. Waving a Bible around does not count as evidence of a damn thing, as you well know.

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So I have my evidence you just won't accept it.

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Damn right I won't. The Bible only provides evidence of what the Bible says. Nothing more (certainly nothing in this case).The truly appalling thing is that you aren't even willing to defend your lunatic interpretation of the Bible. I keep asking you; And, since you are now keen on evidence once more; Where is your evidence of human habitation of Pangea? This is your theory. It is up to you to provide evidence for it. If you have none, you must be dismissed offhand as just another crank.It's your theory. Provide evidence or shut up.

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In the OP I concluded Genesis 1:9, 10 to say all the water was in one place and the land in one place.

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And you have repeatedly ignored other people's refutations of that claim. Or are you finally going to answer this; Well?

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So I will state what the 250 million years is based upon and you can correct me if I m wrong.

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According to the theory of plate tectonics the continents are shifting x distance each year. Extrapolating backward using this distance we can conclude that 250 million years ago there was one land mass.

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You say that as though plate tectonics were that simple. In actual fact, there are multiple converging lines of evidence that place Pangea in the far distant past. Here is one. Take a look at that picture. Those fossil distributions confirm that dinosaur species such as lystrosaurus ranged over Pangea. There is no other explanation for the distribution of their fossils. Lystrosaurus lived in the Triassic ICANT. Humans were rare then.Now, unless you think that lystrosaurus is any less than millions of years old, this puts Pangea quite out of reach of human contact. It also leaves your silly theory totally out of step with all of geology, palaeontology, stratigraphy, archaeology and radiometric dating, as well as being contrary to the damn Bible.By the way, the final break-up of Pangea was about 185 mya. That's where you need to be looking.Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

Excellent and informative post GM.Still waiting on your reply to the rest of my post [Message #28] ICANT.

i agree that you are correct...the land mass, as the bible says, was all in one place at one time and it was way back in the first creative 'day'...likely millions of years ago.its not hard to imagine this...take away a large portion of the oceans and many of the continents are connectednow add the oceans and watch them be separated again.I just disagree with you that the division happened AFTER the flood. I believe the 'days of Peleg' is a reference to the division of the languages rather then of the land. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

the earth must have had less water then before the flood because as the bible says, the 'flood gates of the heavens were opened' and the world became flooded by water. The waters were said to come from 'above'
Previously it wasnt flooded, then it was... The floodwaters are still here, previously they were not. Im not sure anyone knows how far above sea level the land was before the flood. But we do know how much water would cover it if the earth was leveled out.
The New Encyclopdia Britannica says: The average depth of all the seas has been estimated at 3,790 metres (12,430feet), a figure considerably larger than that of the average elevation of the land above the sea level, which is 840 metres (2,760feet). If the average depth is multiplied by its respective surface area, the volume of the World Ocean is 11 times the volume of the land above sea level.So, if we could level it out, the sea would cover the whole earth to a depth of thousands of meters. yes, likely it was... the land was pushed upwards creating depressions where the waters drained into.Then at the time of the flood, more water (waters from the expanse above) was released onto the earth...this water was also enough to completely cover everything again.But how did the water drain off the earth? Eventually it did because the bible tells us that after a length of time the Ark came to rest on a mountain. So obviously the waters were able to drain into the much larger oceans then were previously there.And more ocean means less land. it wasnt the same water because the bible tells us at Gen 7:11In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.'so the waters came from the heavens....waters that previously were not on earth.

Hi GM, Actually I made this statement in response to a statement you made. Message 3Nowhere do you ask for evidence.My question was why do I need evidence?I have the evidence the Bible gives me and that is sufficient for me.In Message 24 you said: My Evidence: The Hebrew word translated seas is singular not plural.The Bible says the water was in one place.That would mean the land mass was in one place.Scientific verification. That says the land mass was in one place.That says the land mass was separated into the current configuration. That says all the water was in one place.That should refute your two island hypothetical.You can find more on Pangea Here, Here, and Here.Do you deny the land was in one place?Do you deny the water was in one place? No my theory (as you call it) is what the Bible says.The Bible says the land mass was in one place.The Bible says the land mass was inhabited by humans.The Bible says the humans were scattered over the face of the earth.The Bible says the land mass was divided.This is what I put forth in the Op.Science agrees that the land mass was in one place at one time.Science seems to agree the land mass has been divided.Science does not agree humans inhabited the single land mass as Pangea was supposed to have been 250 million years ago.Science seems to agree that humans have been scattered over the face of the Earth from one location with the out of Africa theory.So we have a time problem.In Message 24 you said: In message 27 I asked upon what you based that assertion.In Message 49 you stated: So I ask again, upon what do you base your assertion that was 249.9 million years before humans existed? What difference does it make whether they are over one million years old or one billion years old. At one time there was no ocean at all and they could roam anywhere they pleased. Did one of them little voices in your head tell you that or do you have something a little more substantial. I would love to read it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Mich, Sorry but I am having a hard time finding Hebrew Lexicons that give flown together for the collection of the waters, and eruption from the sea for the land appearing.But I am still looking.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Peg,I am glad to see we agree on some things. You are welcome to disagree with any of what I have said.As far as the lands coming together you see the prediction for the future HERE Technologies | The world's #1 location platform.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Right, I'm done with you.I have no interest in engaging in a conversation with you if you are going to play fuck-witted games like this. You are a pathetic child. Grow up.If anyone else feels that they might be able to crowbar some sense into the dormant organ that is ICANT's brain, feel free to try. I have had enough.Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

Hi Peg, Are you saying those waters could not return to their original location?So there should be no problem for God to find enough water to flood the earth today if he decided to do so? I have questions about the mountains in Noah's day. I know there was mountains when the writer was writing, but was they there at the time of the flood? Sure it was the same water. God did not manafacture water.
The rains that came down was lifted up from the waters below. The waters from below came from the water that filled the voids when the land mass was uplifted.So why wouldn't it be the same water that had covered the earth? But the waters that came down was put up in Genesis 1:6.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM, You could have tried using a convincing argument rather than all the insults you have typed out.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ICANT,The first time I came across your peculiar interpretation of genesis you made some sort of comment that you came to that view at the age of 10 and hadn't changed your mind since.That was very telling.I believe Catholic Scientist was persistent enough to debunk the view scripturally, but that didn't matter to you.
Ironically your only hope is for God and an afterlife to exist since you won't learn anything new or be corrected in any of your perceptions until God takes it up with you personally.But then you may crucify him afresh for adding to the bible...

Gen 8:13"Now ...it came about that the waters had drained from off the earth"
Clearly the bible writer described the waters as 'draining off the earth' as opposed to being transported in any other method. Gen 7:19"And the waters overwhelmed the earth so greatly that all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered. 20Up to fifteen cubits the waters overwhelmed them and the mountains became covered."likely there were mountains before the flood but they probably were not as high as they are today for the reason that the weight of the water likely changed the landscape. The crust of the earth is relatively thin and with enough weight, it could have been pushed upwards or downwards by the force of the water. I dont believe we need to speculate on this subject because the bible is clear when it says
'The floodgates of the heavens were opened'
It was also a 'Down Pour'
It also 'Rained'all three of the above indicate that the water came from the sky, not the earth. If the water came from the earth, it would have enveloped the earth like a swelling tide, but the bible does not say this is what happened.Also remember that in the creation account, a part of the water the covered the earth was lifted up to create the 'firmament' or 'Expanse' between the waters and the waters.So im sure you are correct in believing that the earth was covered in water and the dry land was bought together in one place, but you must consider the genesis account about the waters being separated on the 2nd day to create an expanse happened before the dry land was bought together on the 3rd day.Some of the water stayed on the earth, but a larger portion of it was taken into the upper atmosphere to completely encircle the earth. exactly.so if you know that there were waters above, why are you wondering where the flood waters came from?

If you take an air mattress and lay it on a bed and push down in the center, the ends will pop up. But if you apply equal pressure to it along its entire length nothing like that happens, it is merely uniformly under more pressure.The study of soil samples indicates that mountains consist of collisions of plates not simply an uplifted crust.All knowledge is not contained in the bible. You are allowed to take a basic geology course if you like.

only if the foundation where it sits is of equal pressure...in terms of the earths crust, varies in depth from 5 to 25 miles. This means that the whole crust of the earth is not the same and so if pressure is exerted on one point, a weaker point of the crust will be affected differently.you may have noted i have said that the bible 'does not' contain such information

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Msg 51 'Peg wrote' It is not based on the bible because the bible does not go into such details. I am basing it on what we know of the earth and of what we know of flooding and how flooding changes the surface of the land.

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just in case you missed it.