I met God

How does it follow that if you are part of God, then you can never be wrong. Have you ever considered the idea that God is evolving along with yourself?Besides terms like omnipotence, omnipresence, perfection, all break down to meaninglessness under Spinoza Pantheism.But of course you would know that if you knew what the term Spinoza Pantheism means.If you prefer to think of yourself as seperate from God, that is your choice, it just may not be possible despite your best efforts.What contradiction?

This is because only religious people lable the feelings they experience (which we all experience form time to time)
as evidence of a god.

jar, Yeah, but your mum probably does what my wife does, speaks to me from a different room on a different floor & labels it "communication", she's probably not facing me at the time, either. I simply can't believe a being that an omnipotent being in the same room as me as well as another room on a different floor at the same time gets a kick out of deliberately whispering so quietly that he knows I can't hear him. He knows this because he's omniscient, right?If the being-that-created-the-cosmos wants to talk to me it should be easy. Why can't I hear him/she/it?Mark

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

Just a quick personal note: I don't directly hear an audible voice. Only perhaps 3 or 4 times has this ever happened, and I am not sure if it was objective or subjective. I DO believe that God uses other people to convey what He wants said at times. I also believe that He uses silence to make me aware of choices and changes in my directed thought.Many believe that God is a creation of our imagination. I don't believe this, but can understand why others do believe it.

Perhaps it was the silence that He was attempting to get you to appreciate. People had probably been telling you what God said all your life. He was attempting to show you what it meant to simply accept His love and drink in the silence of a calm day. Of course, I don't know. Thats between you two!

I don't think of myself as seperate from God. He and I are cloer than I ever imagined was possible. He feeds me and opens my eyes.It was good news to find out that even though I was a sinner, and seperate from Him, that He still loved me and wanted to make His home my own.When I played God I was seperate from him and hid myself behind my fig leaves. When I let Him be God again I lost nothing. He helped me reveal the true me.He helped me tear down 'the wall' of delusion that I once built with cunning, not knowing it was my own Tower of chaotic death. He helped me do that with gentleness and respect.When I was collapsing, I called to Him, and He caught me by suprise.Luke 14:28 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? 29 For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, 30 saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.' 31 "Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32 If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33 In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. 34 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? 35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

I thought we had been over this with you before. That is a pretty silly statement from several perspectives. First, the Biblical GOD is the Muslim God, the God of Abraham, just as it is the Jewish God.Second, religions are just Maps, they are not the Territory. Christianity is not GOD, Islam is not GOD, Wicca is not GOD.Now if you want to continue to conflate the Map with the Territory then just like the exclusionist Theists, you will only contribute to misunderstanding, strife and violence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't know.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

First, I don't slready believe in God, I believe in the possibility of a God.Second, I actually read the Gospel of John. So do not assume here I didn't try.But no, that didn't make me believe in him.So what conclusion can we both agree on ?
Do you think it wasn't God who talked to you ?
Or maybe it is I who is the problem ?

Ok, let's slow way down...Why do you believe in the possiblity of God?

I think every religious man or women judge other religions simply by choosing wich one to be in (usually nobody choose the religions we just get indoctrined in it, but lets not get off topic). If I am christian I believe a completly different set of rules then if I was to be muslim, and also, I believe for some reason that the truth of my religions is (maybe just slightly) superior to the others.And if Jesus speaks to you, you can affirm that Jesus is the son of God and all the followers of Islam have it wrong.I was not talking about you btw, but in a general manner, if someone is christian and God speaks to them, there is a reason why they stay christian. I consider myself having a pretty open mind. I crave knowledge about God, I want him to talk to me or to show me his existance. But I'm not getting any insight, and I don't want to spend anymore time studying any scripture. I want him to speak to me like he speaks to Goerge Bush. And I will convert.

Because we can't disprove God.EDIT : And I would really like to be in the "I KNOW God exist" camp.. so much less hassle then the "I admit I do not know"It really sucks "not to know" I want to know.Edited by Kader, : No reason given.

Never Now please If you say that God is Jesus (and vice-versa) it is not silly to say that 1 billion muslim will strongly disagree with you. I said before, very romantic way of seing things, I wish everyone would hold the same kind of belief, but reality is otherwise..sadly. Im not saying that christianity is God, I am saying that to go to heaven you have to follow a set of rules, and theses rules contradict themselves from a religion to another. Map vs territory is your belief.So Im only conflating map and territory for people holding that perticular belief.

That's a lot different than wanting to believe. And the only reason for not wanting to believe is the cost to you. I won't lie about this Kader.Jesus didn't tell people what they wanted to hear, unless they
wanted to hear. Do you understand the paradox? The poor in Spirit were broken because they acknowledged that they were sinners. Do you want the truth more than control over your own life? Will you love Him as God, or will you insist on staying God of your own kingdom? This is very persoanl so read it carefully...At first Iwasn't sure... How could I tell if these people were just playing mind games? I knew I was a sinner and that God's justice upon me would be Holy and with good cause. I believed in His justice.But if it was true, I had to know, so I was patient. I began to realize I did not know as much as I thought. I listened carefully. Then things began to become clear that couldn't be coincidence.And for me it built to the point that I was just being flooded by knowledge and insight. Almost like a computer downloading a file.And it wasn't me thinking this stuff... So yes, it was God! Iwould ask Him to explain the most difficult problems in my mind at the time, and the anser would just be there!But this is just my experience, I shouldn't act as though this is the formula. God will do what is right for God, and it may manifest itself differently in you. That is for you to decide...It is as simple as the words of the thief on the cross. He finally told the truth to himself. That I think may be the point of conversion inwhich the flood gates of living water begin to open.Be patient for them to open and pray from your heart. You know the intellectual stuggles, so let loose your heart.And you might want to go to church so you can listen to a mature pastor instead of me. I'm just pointing the way if you are serious...You don't have to answer this but to yourself... Are you serious?

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

ScottnessI think if there is one thing everyone agrees here it is that
Everyone here would like to have proof of GodEveryone is dead serious about it.
And if God (without a doubt) does speak right now to ANY person on this board, it would be the most amrking day of his life.I don't think any atheist here would reject a sign from God. Actually it is quite the contrary, there is atheist because of the LACK of signs from God.And then we come to personal experience.How valid it is ?
Do every atheist in the world have heard God but denied him ? I beg to differ. Atheist is belief there is no God because there is NO SIGN of God.My mother is catholic and my father muslim as I said before. Neither of them EVER spoke to God. I know only some people who claimed to speak with God, and it still is to me, a very serious delusion.Now listen why I say so.- No person has ever proved he spoke to God.
- No person after speakig with God could demonstrate any kind of divine wisdome
- I never heard God (and yes I would very much like to do so)
- If God want to speak to me and I am willing, whats the matter ?
- If someone can speak with God and ask him question, why can't the most distressing actual problem hasn't been solved yet ?Sorry but I really wish I believed you actually spoke to God, but I can't (dont take offense)If God would have spoken to you, I would be a believer by nowEDIT :
The people I know that told me they could speak with God have failed to demonstrate even slightly they were not making it up.
IE :
me : Can you ask him question ?
him : yes
me : When will I die ?
him : It doesn't work like that ?
.....And you know what.. every question I asked was answered by the same kind of cop-out. There wa snothing he could tell me. I mean for 25$ I can get a hand reading that would have actually attempted to answer to my questions. Saying that God doesn't want to answer ANY of my question is like saying he doesn not wish to talk to me. So I come back to the question, if God spoke to YOU, are you more special then me ?Edited by Kader, : No reason given.