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Mammuthus
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Message 17 of 20 (17528)
09-16-2002 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Tranquility Base
09-16-2002 1:33 AM


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Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Schraf
The Bible tells us that life without God is futile. From my own experince I was having a great time pre-Christianity too but I far prefer living in his purpose for me. But that is just my testimony.

What were you pre-christianity? Just curious.
Cheers,
Mammuthus

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Tranquility Base
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Message 18 of 20 (17561)
09-16-2002 10:31 PM
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09-16-2002 9:50 AM


^ I have in some ways always been a Christian in terms of going to church and mentally believing in Christ. But around 15 I came to know God in a more real way so it is debatable whether I have been a Christian my whole life or not.

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Tranquility Base
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Message 19 of 20 (17562)
09-16-2002 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by nos482
09-16-2002 9:44 AM


nos482
My testimony is that deeply knowing our father (heavenly) is the only way to gain our true individual identity. Everything else is only a shadow of what is possible. Hell is perhaps nothing more than realizing you missed out on knowing your creator and heavenly father and living out your true identity purely becsuse of stubborness. I can't prove this to you but I am convinced of it.
I believe that, in any culture, growing up and learning obedience and relational living in families and communities is a trainer to knowing our heavenly father. Christ is the only way to the Father but for some the only face of Christ is their parents, community and life experiences.
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nos482
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Message 20 of 20 (17579)
09-17-2002 7:48 AM
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09-16-2002 10:36 PM


Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
nos482
My testimony is that deeply knowing our father (heavenly) is the only way to gain our true individual identity.
In what way?
Everything else is only a shadow of what is possible. Hell is perhaps nothing more than realizing you missed out on knowing your creator and heavenly father and living out your true identity purely becsuse of stubborness. I can't prove this to you but I am convinced of it.
Billions of people live full rich lives without ever knowing your god or caring to know your god.
I don't think that living one's life as a slave is all that fullfilling. Your god sounds like the biggest ego maniac there is. Does your god want believers or sycophants? The purpose to my life is more than in the giving of praise to some invisible sky father. That is fine if you want to limit your life in that manner, but I have better things to do.
I believe that, in any culture, growing up and learning obedience and relational living in families and communities is a trainer to knowing our heavenly father. Christ is the only way to the Father but for some the only face of Christ is their parents, community and life experiences.
That is like saying that they're already Christian, but they just don't know it yet and it is your "task" to show them the light. This is pure arrogance.
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