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anastasia
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Message 76 of 80 (412458)
07-24-2007 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Grizz
07-24-2007 5:40 PM


Re: What about.
Grizz writes:
Get well soon.
Thanks. Just my little bit of 'guilt' because you expressed gratitude for the debating, and I know I was gearing more to petty opinions than real dialog? for a few posts.
I understand your position. I admit you could be right and I could be wrong. I do not claim to hold a monopoly on reality. I really do not approach a belief with a goal of determining truth or falsehood. None of the issues we are discussing can be deductively established as true or false.
Correct. They are beliefs. Sometimes, they are only hopes.
I look at such beliefs and claims and then judge them based on their merits. The more inconsistent an idea or belief is, the less merit is has in being an accurate reflection of reality.
In a way, it is a GOOD thing, that no one, past or current, has been willing to step up and add to belief with specific details about the 'new body'. It is, at least, honest. If I saw beliefs spring up like inventions, rather than appear to unfold and develope, and yes, evolve, my skepticism would probably take full advantage of me.

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iceage 
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Message 77 of 80 (412467)
07-24-2007 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Grizz
07-24-2007 5:49 PM


Re: The only worthwhile advice Reagan ever gave.
Grizz writes:
bodily resurrection seems so trivial in comparison to the belief that one will live out eternity inside a soul detached from a body.
How so? Both require supernatural physics of which there is no evidence for in our existence.
Oh hey just a thought to add here; what about clothes? Will resurrected bodies (or spiritual bodies) have white flowing robes or will everyone be natural? When Jesus returns in the clouds will he be wearing clothes, will the saints and Moses be walking around in the buff?

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Bailey
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Message 78 of 80 (416013)
08-13-2007 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Grizz
07-15-2007 11:18 AM


Very Entertaining
When we receive our ticket to the resurrection will we be exhumed with the body we expired with or the one that existed during our most prime and fit period?
Apparently this “resurrected” body is as separate a creation as the human body is from an angel’s body or the bodies of little green men. And note, apparently not everyone will be exhumed and receive a new body. Hebrew and Greek scripture supposes the body will be an entirely new creation induced through a belief in Jesus. The resurrection of Jesus commenced the “first fruits of a new creation” not in existence until this point of the evolution of man occurred. Nevertheless, we may appear different then remembered considering Mary mistook the Resurrected Jesus as the gardener at first glance, indicating he did not appear exactly the same as remembered.
- Do beer bellies, saggy breasts, and love handles still exist after the resurrection?
Consider, Doubting Thomas said he wouldn’t take part in the belief of the resurrection until he stuck his fingers in Jesus’ crucifixion wounds, which Jesus encouraged him to do upon appearing in the upper room. If the existence of Jesus’ wounds due to the crucifixion even after being outfitted in his resurrected body are any indication, then this very well may be the case. Your question, in accordance with scripture, may present a good argument for eating right and exercising.
- If you were deaf for your whole life will you be able to hear and if so will you understand language?
Most people who are deaf their whole life learn to read lips which can be entertained as a form of communication and therefore language. Once in their resurrected state, already knowing how to read lips, supposing one who is deaf is cured of such an ailment it becomes likely they will understand language or quickly adapt it.
- Do the blind get to bring their guide dogs along?
Better yet, will they be able to see and, if so, will they know what they’re seeing?
- Will the colorblind suddenly see in color?
Most people who are color blind already see in color, they just see different colors then the majority of us. Whether we will all see colors the same remains.
- Do people get to keep their tattoos?
It would be nice, but since they were created on the physical body and “flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God”, probably not.
- Do women get to keep the breast implants they died with? If not what size breasts will they be given?
Like my grandmother says, ”Lord only knows . ”
- What will happen to the Health Channels 900 pound man? Will he still be 900 pounds when he is resurrected and will there be a dolly available to move him around? Or perhaps he will be shrunk to a much more manageable size?
It would seem neither nor a need for the dolly, although one may be at your disposal. Consider what Paul says concerning the resurrection,
“What you sow doesn’t come to life unless it dies. When you plant you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed its own body. All flesh is not the same: men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of earthly bodies is another. The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.”
“So it will be at the resurrection. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown in a natural body, it is raised in a spiritual body.”

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jar
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Message 79 of 80 (416014)
08-13-2007 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Bailey
08-13-2007 11:04 AM


Re: Very Entertaining
If the existence of Jesus’ wounds due to the crucifixion even after being outfitted in his resurrected body are any indication, then this very well may be the case.
Just one quibble. There are two things related to that story, two steps or phases; there was the Resurrection, which you refer to, and there was an Ascension. The Bible addresses the issue of bodily format after Jesus Resurrection but as so often is the case, the stories are conflicting. In the example you cite Jesus is strictly flesh and blood yet in Luke and John there are passages where Jesus simply appears among his disciples.
However those are all prior to the Ascension.
Frankly, other than the image of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God we have no imformation on what bodies will be like in heaven.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Bailey
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Posts: 574
From: Earth
Joined: 08-24-2003


Message 80 of 80 (416083)
08-13-2007 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by jar
08-13-2007 11:22 AM


You...yur good,you
The Bible addresses the issue of bodily format after Jesus Resurrection but as so often is the case, the stories are conflicting. In the example you cite Jesus is strictly flesh and blood yet in Luke and John there are passages where Jesus simply appears among his disciples.
You make some good points, although there is no conflict here. The scriptures relay the disciples were at the house a week after Thomas refused to believe that Jesus had appeared to them or that the Resurrection had occurred. This time Thomas was with them and though the doors were locked Jesus appeared in the midst of them. No reference to Jesus existing strictly in his flesh and blood during his and Thomas’ interaction was stated. Rather that Thomas was greeted and offered an opportunity to quench his doubt. Immediately preceding this offer Thomas doesn’t began actually poking around in Jesus’ body (which could have verified flesh and blood), but rather that Thomas answered and said,” The Lord of me and the God of me!”
We’re left only to broad speculation that Jesus was in a state of flesh and blood.
The notion that he was in some form other then flesh and blood seems to be bolstered by the repeated appearance of Jesus out of nowhere and the difficulty of those who knew him to recognize him immediately (John 20:14, 21:4, etc.).
However those are all prior to the Ascension.
Frankly, other than the image of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God we have no imformation on what bodies will be like in heaven.
I gotta give you that. Although, it seems, whatever state of existence Jesus was in didn’t seem to adhere to the same confines of physics that a typical human body is held to on Earth . before(walking on water) , after(sitting at the right hand of God) or during(appearing from thin air) the Resurrection or the Ascension.

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