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Author Topic:   Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.
jaywill
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Message 243 of 354 (490743)
12-08-2008 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by bluescat48
12-07-2008 11:29 PM


Re: Depends on who God is to you
I believe that man created God in his image with all the same biases, prejudices & stupidity of himself.
If so why was Jesus Christ so opposed, persecuted, and ultimately executed?
IF He came doing His Father's will and His Father is just the extension of human biases, prejudices, and stupidity then both Father and Son should have been welcomed warmly?
As it stands the religionists were at odds and the tension gradually built up into a confrontation that ended Christ's life.
Why didn't the scribes, Pharisees, and experts on the holy law welcome Jesus more absolutely as an embodiment of thier own prejudices, biases, and stupidity ?
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jaywill
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Message 245 of 354 (490788)
12-08-2008 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by bluescat48
12-08-2008 9:47 AM


Re: Depends on who God is to you
The last three words: Prejudices, biases & Stupidity.
Jesus didn't do what they, the scribes,Pharisees & so called experts, thought he would do.
But if man created God in his image which included the prejudices, biases, and stupidity which make up this creating man (as you suggest), then Jesus coming (also a man), talking so much about being God's Son, should have done as they would expect thier own creation to do.
An alternative is that man did not invent God and Jesus WAS the Son of God. And He expressed Divinity. Then man's bias, prejudice, and stupidity reacted negatively to the true expression of God.
Is that possible?
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jaywill
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Message 247 of 354 (490853)
12-09-2008 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by bluescat48
12-08-2008 7:28 PM


Re: Depends on who God is to you
The point is that there is no absolute proof that the writings, known as the Gospels, were written as accurate writings. If one believes that they are accurate then your account could be right, but if they are not then my point could be right. Until such time as irrefutible evidence is found then it reverts to belief only.
Well, I think this is a change of the subject to another point you wish to make.
Now you want irrefuttabe evidence and proof with mathematical certainty of the Gospel which plainly states that it is written to faith.
Jesus lived by faith. All that He accomplished He attributes to His faith. He does not attribute His accomplishments to mathematical certainty of His Father, but to His faith and obedience. His point is faith in God. That is not simply our faith in a vacuum, but our faith PLUS the faithfulness of God.
Evidence of authorship may be offered. People like F.F. Bruce, Bruce Metzger, Benjamin Warfield, or Norm Giesler could offer you much evidence about the authenticity of the texts of the New Testament.
Irrefutable proof ? Well, I don't think you have irrefutable proof that your father is actually your father, not if you yourself insisted on skepticism.
How do you know that the man who calls himself your dad was really your father ?
Did you ever do a DNA analysis to prove that the man you called your father was irrefutably your father ? If not why not? Didn't you think you needed irrefutable proof?
Do you have irrefutable proof that the doctors did not conspire to fabricate information about your parents? Do you have irrefutable proof that your parents did not take home the wrong baby? Do you have irrefutable proof that your birth certificate is not lying?
I wager that you have not checked out all these things. Probably you trust some man and some woman that they are who they say they are, your parents. But you really don't KNOW that with irrefutable proof, especially for a someone insistent that a conspiracy must have taken place.
I think you have raised another issue - "Show us irrefutable proof with mathematical certainty that the Gospel is true."
I can show evidence that causes me to believe. And we believers experience evidence which suggests that we are on the right track.
But the Gospel tells us up front and throughout, quite candidly, that this is written that we might believe:
"Moreover indeed many other signs also Jesus did before His disciples, which are not written in this book. But these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing, you may have life in His name." (John 20:20,31)
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