The bible and homosexuality

w.gaycustard responds to me:

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No doubt these types of unwelcome encounters (also made famous recently by the likes of George Michael)

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Hmmm...the cops hit on him and somehow he's the one at fault?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Zachariah responds to me:

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And what makes you think your anus isn't made to stretch and work that way. It's a muscle like any other.

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wrong.....
There is smooth, cardiac, and skeletal.

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But the point still remains: By your logic, exercising a muscle results in it become weaker.That makes no sense. That isn't true for any other muscle in the body. Why is the anus the only one where exercise makes it weaker?

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And wether you can admit it or not having anal sex is allowing something to go into a place it wasn't made for.

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How could it not be made for that when it's so easy to do and so many people do it?

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The entire intestine and colon acts as one big squeeze tube that messages the fecal matter into the rectum for evacuation.

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The entire uterine and vaginal tracts act as one big squeeze tube that massages the uterine lining for evacuation.So why is it okay to put your penis in the vagina, which is clearly an exit, not an entry, but the anus is off limits?

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That the sole purpose.

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Obviously not, because so many people use it for so much more.Take your penis, for example: You use it for urine and you use it for sperm. Oh ye of the "sole purpose," which one is the unnatural aberration that was the result of Adam's Fall?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Zachariah responds to me:

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and it obviously can be quite pleasurable or nobody would do it

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The reason that people "get into it" is because it is decadent, naughty, taboo. Not because it feels good.

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Spoken like somebody who has never had the exquisite pleasure of someone literally kissing his ass.

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If it felt good most men would be running there ass off to get there next prostate check. Do they? HELL no! I have had one....one! Not real excited about the next.

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Think about why that might be:1) Were you tense?
2) Was the doctor trying to make you feel good?
3) How much preparation did the doctor use to help get you in the mood?If you're panicking over it and the doctor takes a barely lubed finger and jams it up your ass without any real warning, of course it's going to hurt. Ask any woman who has had a Pap smear if it feels nice.Does that mean vaginal sex doesn't feel good? Just because in a completely clinical setting with little to no preparation it doesn't feel that good?

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Besides, the nerves in the anus aren't pleasure receptors like in the male and female genitalia.

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Then why do so many people, men and women, spend so much time having anal sex?And most importantly, why do they all say that it does feel good?Who are you to tell them that it doesn't? Are they all lying?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

custard writes:

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I think Z made a strong point that, by the definition of design/function of the anus, it isn't 'natural'

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But the exact same argument can be made for the vagina.So if it's "natural" to put a penis in a vagina, why isn't it "natural" to put a penis in an anus?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Zachariah writes:

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And guess what I had anal sex with a girl I dated and thought it was great.

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But didn't you just say that it doesn't feel good?Why on earth would she let you hurt her that way?

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Not according to the police report he's the one at fault for masturbating in front of an undercover policeman. Are you contending the police illegally entrapped him?George Michael contended the same thing several times AFTER he pleaded no contest to the charge. Now the ninth circuit of appeals has determined the arresting officer can go ahead and sue him for defamation.This message has been edited by custard, 06-18-2004 09:10 AM

(*BLINK!*)You did not just ask that did you?What is one of the functions of the vagina? To collect and hold sperm until it can fertilize the ovum? So part of its function is to allow entry of the penis in order for this to happen.Which one of the functions of the anus is to allow entry of the penis?

They all say it feels good? None of the people who try it ever say "you're never sticking that up my butt again!" Really? Fascinating.

So you've resorted to name calling? How original.

You might want to be careful not to speak for folks that actually have vaginas. Not that I can either, but it's been my experience that the vagina is more often used for the expulsion of the endometrial lining and blood, as well as a constant trickle of mucus, than it is for the introduction of sperm.I guess I'd consider it pretty insulting if I had a vagina and someone tried to tell me that its primary function was the admission of semen. Presumably, the function where the anus admits the penis for the purpose of sexual stimulation.

Yeah, I'm sympathetic to that. That's why I wrote:

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What is one of the functions of the vagina?

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Not 'the primary function;' one of the functions. Maybe yours, but I can gaurantee that's not one of the functions of my little starfish. In any case, I don't see that anywhere in Gray's Anatomy. I'll have to write them so they can put in an addendum in the next edition.Additionally, here is some evidence as to why one might not want to engage in anal sex (looks like I was mistaken about gay men not being affected by HPV):

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Anal cancer is an uncommon, often curable cancer that produces slow-growing tumors and lesions in the anus and nearby anal anatomy. Most anal cancers are associated with human papillomavirus (HPV), which causes warts on the anus and genitals, similar to cervical and other cancers of the reproductive system.

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Incidence and Prevalence
Anal cancer affects men and women, but it is the only cancer with a greater prevalence among men who have sex with men (MSM) than in the general population. About 35 in every 100,000 MSM develop anal cancer, compared to less than one in every 100,000 heterosexual men. The risk for anal cancer in HIV-positive men is twice as high as that for HIV-negative MSM.

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This message has been edited by custard, 06-18-2004 08:31 AM

Says who? You?Well, that's fine, but then you need to realize that "admitting the penis for the purpose of depositing sperm" is not something that all women consider to be a function of their vaginas. We call those women "lesbians," and so, by the same logic you used above, you need to rescind your statement than sperm collection is a function of the vagina. Hoo-boy, that's a regular fuckin' raging epidemic you've uncovered, Custard.

They can consider it not to be a function of their vaginas until the cows come home, that doesn't make them correct. That they choose not to use it for that purpose doesn't invalidate the function. If they choose not to have children, it doesn't invalidate the function of their uterus. Nice try though. If I can save even one person from anal cancer, my life will be fulfilled. Of course, just to be contrarian, you could run out and receive some anal sex. That would teach me.This message has been edited by custard, 06-18-2004 09:03 AM

Right. Just like the fact that you don't use your anus for the stimulation of penises doesn't invalidate that function, either.

Again, you can keep saying this is true, but that doesn't make it true. You can stick things up your anus and into your rectum all night long for all I care - whatever works for you, but it's pretty funny that you think an actual function of the anus is to stimulate a penis.Just because something is an orafice doesn't mean part of its function is to have a penis inserted in it. Using your logic the mouth, ears and nostrils (depending on size of course), and the knot hole in the garden post all share the function of penile insertion.What if someone has an empty eye socket? Would that now have a penile insertion function? But why stop at holes? The armpit might serve pretty well. How about behind the knee?Absolutely fascinating.