Why did God forgive our sins?

The God knows the man did not choose to fault purposefully.Respectively, man cannot evolve until he acknowledges this.

Thank you for the exchange. This was directed at Bertrot, who is considers himself a christian; the present opinion is derived from a gentile background.It appears to the present opinion not all 'moral dictates' in Constantines book of jewish/roman propaganda belong to the Father. However, there are two moral dictates the Father of Life has uttered within the collection assembled at Nicea that are perfect, immutable, and absolute. They, like the Father, are found more easily in rational thought than religious propaganda and though included in many ancient scripture, they are often ignored.Shall we discuss them? Jesus tells us that men created the rules because they were too stubborn to record what the Father promotes. He was the only honest one (speculation) that was willing to sum up all the commandments that left a void in the truth of morality. Notice, the Two bits are not nearly as popular as the other ten. You are likely a slave right now. Forgo your local and federal taxes a couple years to enjoy the festivities attached to refusing indentured servitude. Fall on hard times and they will snatch up your 'property' and sell it to the highest bidder. Who will stop them? Under Iran's strict Sharia law, women sentenced to execution by stoning have their hands bound behind their back. They are wrapped from head to toe in sheets before being seated in a pit. The ditch is filled up to their breasts with dirt, and the soil is packed tightly before people assemble to execute the woman by pitching rocks at her head and upper body. Who will stop them? lol - do the catch phrases 'hamas' and 'doctrinally attached to destruction' ring a bell; the world stage is currently doing business with the ol' german reincarnate! Who will stop them? Within many portions of our wonderland, abortion is perfectly legal; it does not make it moral. Just legal. China eliminated apprx. 250 million potentially whiny babies in just 21 short years. The one-child policy is challenged in principle and in practice for violating human rights. Reported abuses in its enforcement include bribery, coercion, forced sterilization, forced abortion, and infanticide. Who will stop them? Prophets continually pleaded with Israeli political leaders and communities, begging them to stop misrepresenting the Father. For misrepresenting the Father as an asshole, Moses was unable to deliver his audience to the 'promised land'. The Father knows most would rather serve the 'fires o' damnation' than a dickhead god; otherwise Heaven would be empty. Instead we are shown a picture where Heaven is full, and a portion of 'christians' that performed miracles in Jesus name are disavowed by Him. They are turned away from his priesthood, though not refused Everliving Life, because they choose to believe and propagate a deceitful lie. This is no different than Moses being 'disavowed', though he was able to bring forth water for his community even by 'disobeying'.Jeremiah calls the entire nation of Israel out as an assembly of treacherous men that bend their tongues like their bows. He seems to be referencing their knack for abusing the power of Words towards gainful and self purposed ends. He adds that lies and not truth prevail in the land, because past Jews 'proceeded from evil to evil'. According to the prophet, we have no reason to trust them and will fare well to be on guard against them, because they all deal craftily and go about as slanderers. They all deceive their neighbors/each other and do not speak the Truth. They have 'taught their tongue' to speak lies and weary themselves 'committing iniquity'. After reading that, how can one keep themselves from running to the rooftops and proclaiming how inerrant 'the bible' is? Constantines book of ancient scripture is not the only Word of the Father; all Words belong to Him. Put that in yo' shmipe and poke it - lolIs it the trinity or the quadrinity? Why religious people would be surprised that the bible is deceiving is beyond understanding. Not even three chapters in we are told the serpent deceives the human species by manipulating the Father's Words. God's Word is inerrant; books are books. Nevertheless, the bible clearly states that the people originally hired to rep God failed to serve the task at hand; we are later told that a portion of the runners up fail too. We may even witness the latter; time will tell. The blasphemous spirit of religion will go as far as equivocating the Father of Creation to a book; even though their special book plainly states a serpent deceived the Father's Words 'in the beginning' of the book. Then we find Moses permitting divorce, not the Father; this did not stop people from putting words in the Father's mouth, "Oh, yeah, da god said we dont godda b married no mo". New law - not the Father's. Were those 'god given commands' ever 'acceptable'; besides to the 'chosen people' whom they served?The Son of the God in Abrahamic scriptures did not find them acceptable; otherwise he would not have fiddled with them. lol - there is a system of 'absolute' rules by god in the bible?
Please provide a chapter and verse (jewish laws don't count). The first one must be; the ten don'ts are widely beheld. A better system of 'absolute moral 'rules'' would not gain as much popularity; reality has testified to this. How many court cases have you heard about implicating the removal of 'the Two commandments' - lolHow many 'christians' peddle ten? It is likely Jesus, you and I all agree here - religion ... gets 'em everytime. This is likely why Jesus almost punched Peter in the face for trying to worship Him publicly. He knew as soon as that started, the distraction from the Truth would begin.Boy, was He spot on.One Love

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, I'm just a fool playing with ideas.
My only intention is to tickle your thinker. Trust nothing I say. Learn for yourself.
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

Thank you for the exchange. Thank you for this; it seems to follow very reasonably. Your spirit often recognizes greatly admired insights. Eve was deceived into performing this way also; nevertheless, her Father was exceedingly kind to her.Do we first Trust DA's word, or that which jaywill has told us DA spoke? Truly, one should always underestimate the 'help' one can expect from 'disciples with more experience'. To not underestimate the 'second hand word o' god' is only to cast doubt on the Father of Life; He has chosen the lowly to shame the wise. Lexicons & concordances are nifty.Speculating outside of the parameters of the text produces theology. Theology is basically what the serpent offered Eve; a clever work over of the Father's Words. The present opinion values actual scripture more than it's predisposed counterpart. Is it better to listen to the Word of your Father who loves you, or is it better to listen to another? Experience will come with time; just bring a sincere heart and mind.One LoveEdited by Bailey, : grammarEdited by Bailey, : spelling

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, I'm just a fool playing with ideas.
My only intention is to tickle your thinker. Trust nothing I say. Learn for yourself.
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

Thank you for the exchange.This passage seems to implicate more than one application in reality. The disciples may expect in what way their mini "kingdom's o' God" (apostolic churches) would flourish or fail, depending on their resolve to the Way as teachers, and founders, of the Faith. The Great Rabbi seems to be inferencing the lack of progress His ancestors made thus far in regards to creating a more prosperous method of civilization on Earth; one that better reflects the joys associated to Heavens. A wider application certainly appears available. Perhaps our money is no good here, yet here is our 2 cents ...‘‘ —‘‘ 7:13 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Ed. with Strong's Numbers13 ‘ ‘ · — [ ‘ , ‘ ‘‘ ’ ·The leading thought of the whole discourse is the 'kingdom of Heaven' and its conditions. Hence, when the rabbi Jesus says, Enter ye in or Arise through, it does not seem unreasonable to suggest He is regarding, at least, the kingdom of Heaven. Consider, if you will, nearly every town in Palestine is surrounded by walls and is entered by gates. The principal ones are wide, with double doors, closed with locks and fastened with iron bars. The strait gates are in retired corners, are narrow, and are only opened to those who knock."The righteousness of the kingdom," so amply described, both in principle and in detail, would be seen to involve self-sacrifice at every step. Would multitudes ever face this? But it must be faced, else the consequences will be fatal (see armeggedon/species suicide thread). This would divide all within the sound of these Truths into two classes, within which a dichotomy between athiests and religious folk is not found any quicker than one entertaining agnostics and philosophers. There is only a dichotomy between many and few. We have the many, who will follow the path of ease and self-indulgence - end where it might; and the few, who, bent on eternal safety above everything else, take the way that leads to it - at whatever cost. Enter ye in at the strait gate - as if hardly wide enough to admit one at all. This expresses the difficulty of the first right step in overcoming religious thought, involving, as it does, a triumph over all our natural inclinations; we become not as we were, and even less religious.The great concern and duty of every one of us, in consideration of all this; Enter ye in at the strait gate. The matter is fairly stated; good and evil, save your brother or save yourself, continuous Life and temporal life are set before us; both the ways, and both the ends: now let the matter be taken entire, and considered impartially, and then choose, each of us, which we will walk in; otherwise may the matter determine itself, and not admit of a debate.No man, in his wits, would choose to go to 'the gallows', because it is a smooth, pleasant way to it, nor refuse the offer of a Palace and a Throne, because it is a rough, dirty way to it; yet such absurdities as these do many esteem, in the concerns of their souls. Delay not, therefore; deliberate not any longer, instead enter ye in at the strait gate if you will; knock at it by sincere communication and constant endeavor, and it shall be opened; the Truth shall open a wide door, and an effectual one. It is likely true what they say, we can neither go in, nor go on, without the assistance of divine Grace; but it is as True, that Grace is freely offered, and shall not be found wanting to those that seek it, and cleave unto it.'Conversion', or frequently placing others needs before your own, is at times hard work, as are most things that better the world. Nevertheless, it is necessary in these days, as much if not more than in any other time before us, and it is not impossible if we strive (Lu. 13:24, reality).One LoveEdited by Bailey, : grammar

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, I'm just a fool playing with ideas.
My only intention is to tickle your thinker. Trust nothing I say. Learn for yourself.
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

Thank you for the exchange. This seems as natural as interpreting what is 'moral' concerning abortion, capital punishment, etc.; the appearance of valid reasoning to support more than one absolute (concerning present matters of life and death). Additionally, the rabbi is alleged to speak in parables which, by nature, intend to convey multiple applications. Is that not the essense of a 'parable', whether spoken by us or Him? If so, it may be laughable and amazingly insightful - lol Sounds like a good topic ... Subjective emotions and subjective thoughts are just that by nature DA; we are talking about matters of continuous life and temporal life. Whether speaking in spiritual (everliving Life, neighbor loving, etc.) or secular terms (archeology, science, etc.), you are wise to note we are often at the mercy of subjectivity when considering the past and the future. Within a moment, we acknowledge what our evolving brain is willing to accept, according to our relative and unique standards of 'belief'. We agree, without a sincere and thorough work over of the evidence from all available sources of reality, only the present appears objective.Eventually, as evidence is uncovered, somewhat objective conclusions can be drawn. Comparing the ultimate reductions of available evidence offers present, objective, reductionally conclusive 'interpretations'. Some of the "intepretation" is credited by Faith to the Father, while a more evident and undeniable portion is readily available as well. For instance, civilization was not in a position to cause itself extinction a couple thousand years ago, or a hundred years ago, so the 'Savior of All men' may not have offered as much reason or logic in the past.This reality encourages us to question things.Not so much to steer clear from 'hell' and 'be saved', as much as to figure out why our reality is so self destructive. How can civilization come so far and keep hitting the same wall. The story of progress -- that each generation is better than the one before it - is about 200 years old. These 200 years have been the most tumultuous and destructive years in the history of the planet. In fact, the history of civilization is not a story of progress, but a story of continuous decline.The Christian tradition begins in the Garden of Eden of the hunters and gatherers. The Fall symbolizes the dawn of civilization. Yahweh, the Father of Lovingkindness, could see that farming was destroying Creation. For much of the Old Testament, he urges his Chosen People to destroy the hideous cities of the 'defilers' of the 'Earth' and reroute them to safety so they may live continuously. But the farmers beat the nomads, who destroy and whose way to safety is deceived by a Mischievous one. The christian prophets soon fortell that we are now sitting in the shadows of an onrushing armageddon, and the Son has revealed a Way of escape for All.In the norse myths, it's the same cycle. The human gods conquer the powerful forces of nature, rule for a while, then are destroyed by the revenge of nature at the battle of Ragnarok.The ancient Greeks saw human decline as a series of historic ages. Hesiod writes of the Golden Age: "They lived like gods, free from worry and fatigue; old age did not afflict them; they rejoiced in continual festivity." This was followed by the Silver Age, a matriarchal era of agriculture, when men obeyed their mothers. This was followed by the Bronze Age, a patriarchal era of war -- "Their pitiless hearts were as hard as steel; their might was untamable, their arms invincible." This was followed by the Iron Age, a time "when men respect neither their vows, nor justice, nor virtue."Seems like somebody is trying to tell us something. Then a man on the edge of recorded history is accused of being the Son of the Father. He tells the farmers and nomads that the Way to heal the land is to Love each other, and that He and the Father have eliminated the Mischievous one. The 'wise ones' contemplate Him, though as an imposter and seeing nothing wrong with the land, they murder Him. Yet the Son defeats their death and ascends to His Father for a time. Soon, our hand is not forced and we celebrate the dawn of a new era by the Savior of Alls' appearance. What are the chances; this has always seemed odd - lolAdditionally, if the three bits of advice left in His wake are implemented, reality occurs differently. Everybody who thinks about them for three seconds can glimpse, but not everybody wants to love other people. We are not likely going to make them start; they must make the decision to give a shit about the greater good on their own.I'm gonna pour it on real thick like here; today we live in the Toxic Age. lol - not to be rude, but religion can shove 'hell' up its ass - no grease. There are many who care more about their tribe than the existence of the mysterious sphere or its inhabitants, the planet is overheating, there is a massive hole in the ozone layer, species extinction has become a global epidemic, the remaining forests are being furiously destroyed, the fish in the ocean are almost gone, our soil is pouring into the sky and sea - and every day we teach our children stories of wonderful progress, and the glories of civilization ...Please don't mistake me for a misanthrope, yet this, my good friend, is laughable and amazing.One LoveEdited by Bailey, : spellingEdited by Bailey, : grammarEdited by Bailey, : Clarity - lol

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, I'm just a fool playing with ideas.
My only intention is to tickle your thinker. Trust nothing I say. Learn for yourself.
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

Thank you for the exchange. Jesus also spoke a parable to them; A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?We may serve well by further investigating the surrounding passages more thoroughly. lol - we could probably go on and on with humorous stories involving mistaken identification. There is a tragic kind of mistaken identity described in the bible, which is also one of the most common. It is the mistaken assumption that all religious roads lead to heaven. Within these scriptures we found Jesus put before His audience the choice which every man must make, the choice between Mere Religion and christianity. In verses 13 and 14 we have the two gates, in verses 15-23 we are encouraged to distinguish between the two kinds of guides, and in verses 24-27 we see the two foundations upon which all lives are built.We have made the statement before, and we believe it to be True, that may the 'hell' that some have so much seemingly unnecessary faith exist, it will be populated by religious people, if also athiests or agnostics. It was the smug self-confidence of the scribes and Pharisees which inclined them to believe that when it came to God’s Kingdom, they had a corner on the market. And yet, it was for these men that Jesus, the Great Rabbi and Savior of ALL, had the harshest words of condemnation. This is why it is written, that He has chosen the lowly to shame the wise. We will not present the eight woes that follow, though they are very much worth the read. It is indeed a sad thing when someone takes a stand against any religion and refuses to believe in any god whatsoever. But to us it is as tragic when one is lulled into a kind of spiritual slumber, resting in some kind of religion that will never arrange entrance into the Father's mansion or solve the problem of 'sin' (putting your gain before anothers).The Man of Hope, in this 'Sermon on the Mount', has distinguished his kingdom from that of Contemporary Judaism, while identifying it with that spoken of in the Old Testament. As He concludes this sermon, we come to the bottom line, the destiny deciding hour of decision. We can forget it, talk, study; act. If you can see, the Son of the Father began by cautioning His listeners that if they were to enter into His Kingdom, they must turn aside from the mainstream of Judaism. Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it .You disagree?This seems to be the most literal translation, yet we find a parallel in the modern mainstream of Religion. It is not surprising to find true seekers parting from the christian majority; they have in no way parted from the Faith. In this way, the passages seem to provide an eerie similiarity and application.We recall talking with a couple about the church they were attending and will never forget their words, because they were so honest and yet so wrong - lol. They said, “We love to attend this church because the preacher teaches the way we like to hear it.” To us that is like saying of a certain doctor, “I love to go to him because I know he will always tell me what I want to hear.”So even if we don't wanna hear of our dilema, or escape it, there are only two gates, only two paths, only two destinies before every man, and we each choose one or the other. From the very outset of this sermon, Jesus made it clear that those who were employed within His Family business were cut from a different piece of cloth. A bunch of disciples straight bounced ...Jesus narrows our choices to only two: Religion and christianity. Religion, in brief, can be defined as man’s efforts to reach God, while christianity is God reaching down to man. Religion rests upon man’s work for God; christianity on God’s work on behalf of men. While the Father's way of survival is exclusive and restrictive, you must be able to 'go to Hell' as an Baptist, atheist, Presbyterian, agnostic or under any denominational label. You can go as a preacher, priest, rabbi or layman.If you would enter the Father's mansion, do not follow the crowds, but trust in the Son of God Who died for your 'sins' and Who offers to give you Everliving Life. Attempts to innovate upon or modify His means of salvation are unnecessary, for in this the design is rigid and unbending. The Father has not left us All, the Ones He Loves, without a means of survival. We agree that the Way Jesus provides to Truth is not shrouded in mystery.One LoveEdited by Bailey, : grammar

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, I'm just a fool playing with ideas.
My only intention is to tickle your thinker. Trust nothing I say. Learn for yourself.
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary