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Author Topic:   Why did God forgive our sins?
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Message 206 of 479 (492049)
12-27-2008 10:19 AM


The paradox is that God and man both work togther, as is explained in Phil 2,
12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out you salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it it God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
If God does not work and draw men to Himself, no one can can come to Him.
If man does not respond to God's Spirit and repent, man cannot be saved.
Blessings
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Message 219 of 479 (492220)
12-29-2008 10:43 AM


The bottom line is simply this:
God is not willing for anyone to perish, but for all to come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9, Acts 2:38). All who truly repent of their sins are saved. All who do not repent of their sins are not saved.
It's as simple and as difficult as that!
Blessings

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Message 237 of 479 (492267)
12-29-2008 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by DevilsAdvocate
12-29-2008 1:51 PM


In this forum section, people of faith get to explain to those who have no faith who the God who is is, what His message of salvation is, and the God who is saves those He is drawing to Himself.
The whosoever wills repent and choose to be saved by the God who saves, and the whosoever wonts choose not to repent, rejecting God's salvation.
It's as simple and as difficult as that.
Blessings

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Message 243 of 479 (492280)
12-29-2008 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by DevilsAdvocate
12-29-2008 6:40 PM


If you've been there, done that, you obviously didn't get anything but a T-shirt to base your faith upon. Those that find God's salvation in Christ Jesus find much much more. We find that God rewards those that dilligently seek Him (Heb 11:6) by giving to us the gift of His Spirit (Luke 11:13, Acts 2:38).
I'm not trying to convert you. Only God can do that. Just show a little more respect to those who have found God's salvation as revealed in the Bible and in our hearts by faith, which is what this forum section is all about.
Blessings
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Message 248 of 479 (492301)
12-29-2008 10:02 PM
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12-29-2008 9:08 PM


If the gift of eternal life was just my claim, it would be worthless. But the gift of eternal life is offered by Jesus as He declares in John 11,
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,
26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"
Maybe I wrong, but I believe you have been burned badly by some who call themselves Christians. But what do you find wrong with Jesus?

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Message 260 of 479 (492339)
12-30-2008 10:25 AM
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12-30-2008 2:59 AM


What is the evidence that you are real and have posted a reply to my question? By the evidence you leave behind.
The same is true of Jesus. The evidence that Jesus is real is that God saves those who come to Him through the blood of Jesus, and gives to us the gift of His Holy Spirit. You may not think this is real evidence, but truth is truth whether you believe it or not.
It's not information about the Bible that brings one into God's salvation, truth and reality. One can have lots of information about the Bible. Even devils believe and tremble (James 2:19). It's entering into God's truth by faith, then God discloses Himself to you (John 14:23).
Blessings
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Message 263 of 479 (492352)
12-30-2008 1:40 PM
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12-30-2008 1:11 PM


Re: Faith
On what basis do you proclaim that faith and truth bear any relation to one another?
On the basis of the words Jesus declared in John 14:23. Jesus declares that if anyone loves Him and keeps His word, He will love him and will disclose Himself to him.
Only those who love Jesus, keep His word, and to whom Jesus has disclosed Himself can discern the truthfulness of faith that brings God's salvation.
Blessings

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Message 271 of 479 (492398)
12-30-2008 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Huntard
12-30-2008 1:41 PM


Would you mind pointing out what evidence Jesus himself left behind? I have heard of none.
Would you mind backing that up with evidence? This is mere speculation on your part. It assumes it's true, to then declare it to be true. That's not how it works. Again, you can visit me, you can touch me, you can see my computer, I can show you my account. What physical evidence did Jesus leave behind?
The evidence that Jesus left behind that skeptics and unbelievers will never understand nor accept started ocurring on Pentecost 10 days after Jesus ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father as Lord (Acts 2:33-36). Pentecost has been ocurring now for 2000 years to those who repent according to Acts 2:38 and honor Jesus as Lord, "and the Lord has been adding to their number day by day those who are being saved" (Acts 2:47).
If the skeptics and unbelievers at this forum want to believe in no God, no devils, no heaven, no hell, no sin to repent from, no salvation, that is your choice. God does not go against your will, but He does make some willing to choose Him. I'm very thankful I'm one of those that chose Him.
Blessings

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Message 272 of 479 (492399)
12-30-2008 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by fjp8000
12-30-2008 5:59 PM


Re: Bible quotations...God
Guys, it has been a while since I first posted the question "Why did God forgive our sins" and I must say that I was very surprised at all the comments. But, I must tell you that I find it amusing that some of you quote the bible as if you personally verified its truth.
I find it more surprising that most people at this forum have no need for God to forgive them of their sins. Yes, some of us have personally verified the Bible's truth, and have received God's forgiveness for our sins. But it's not my job to convince you of this truth. My job is simply to tell you what God has done for me. Only God can convict sinners to lay down their sins and choose Him.
Blessings

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Message 281 of 479 (492430)
12-31-2008 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by fjp8000
12-30-2008 9:55 PM


Re: Bible quotations...God
Really? How to you know that most people do not need god to forgive them for their sins????? You got a direct link to a god?
John 16:13-15 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you."
Yes, those who honor Jesus as Lord do have a direct link to God.
I said "most people at this forum" do not need God to forgive them for their sins. If you are not one of the most, then welcome to the family of the forgiven.
Blessings

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Message 283 of 479 (492432)
12-31-2008 9:35 AM
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12-31-2008 3:08 AM


Are you sure you chose the right one? What is your evidence for saying you did? Could you not be duped by an evil entity that wanted to hide the truth of, say, Islam from you? Why is your religion correct, yet others false?
Yes, there are many religious deceptions, Islam being one of many. But the true and living God is explained by the writer of Heb 1:1-3,
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
Blessings

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Message 284 of 479 (492433)
12-31-2008 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by b00tleg
12-31-2008 8:26 AM


What sin or sins were forgiven and when did this occur?
Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
19 And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly.
20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."
Blessings

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Message 290 of 479 (492458)
12-31-2008 2:45 PM


The paradox of God's determinism verses man's free will is simply this: God has chosen to save sinners, and sinners must chose to receive God's forgiveness. Both are required.
On judgment day man will not be able to use the excuse that God did not choose to save them. For those who have never heard, God is a just God and will deal with them according to His justice (Rom 2:11-16). But for those who have heard the Gospel of Christ and reject this gospel, they judge themselves.
John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Blessings

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Message 296 of 479 (492480)
12-31-2008 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by bluescat48
12-31-2008 5:03 PM


But where is the evidence that what he is saying is true and not just another batch of lies. You can't use the Bible to prove itself.
2 Peter 1:19-21
19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.
20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
Wrong! You can use to the Bible to prove itself. The Bible has proven itself over and over again by the prophetic word that has been spoken and fulfilled from Genesis to Revelation. As Peter has said, "You do well to pay attention."
Blessings

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Message 298 of 479 (492492)
12-31-2008 10:02 PM
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12-31-2008 7:37 PM


So you equate Greek mythology with the fulfilled prophesies of the Bible. Jesus fulfilled over 360 prophesies which foretold of His coming as the Messiah [http://bibleprobe.com/over-300-prophecies.pdf]. How many more prophesies would Jesus have had to fulfill by your standard of evidence before there was enough proof evidence that Jesus was and is the Messiah?

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