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Author Topic:   Why did God forgive our sins?
fjp8000
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Message 1 of 479 (469430)
06-05-2008 3:14 PM


If one believes in a God, then why did God send "his son" (himself??) down to earth in order to cleanse mankind of his sins.. When, in fact, he knew that man would sin again???? Does his action make any sense to anyone? How about this? Maybe if he wanted to free us of sin.. Do it, and then say, “OK, everyone come on into heaven! There is no point in making you “suffer” your way into heaven. Just come on up and give praise to me for all eternity.” After all, doesn't He want all of his "children" with him in heaven?

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fjp8000
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Message 13 of 479 (469807)
06-07-2008 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Brian
06-07-2008 5:12 PM


Re: What is God's purpose?
You mention a God.. I disagree. It is man who made up the God thing. All the evil, as well as good, is man's doing. Not some delusional fantasy of man's imagination.

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fjp8000
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Message 14 of 479 (469810)
06-07-2008 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by iano
06-07-2008 12:26 PM


In reply to Message 9 of 13
Wait a minute, wait a minute..
"So long as: a) it's a persons own will that insists upon that destination b) no ones will is anymore disposed towards their destination than anyone elses will"?????
Will, what will? No matter what you do...you were predestined to do it. It was set in stone as soon as your
omnipresent God knew what you would do before you were born. Nothing you can do will change it. Some, according to people, who believe in a God, will go to "heaven" and some will go to "Hell". It is in the cards before you were born! I say if a God did exist, he is a very sick person, to allow people who don't have a change in Hell (Pardon the pun) to go to heaven. Use your head, instead of you Faith. Be truthful with yourself. It is all a bunch of nonsense which has done absolutely nothing for man except to have control over him and give him a motive to kill others who do not believe in the same faith.

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fjp8000
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Message 16 of 479 (469813)
06-07-2008 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by iano
06-07-2008 7:37 PM


Re: What is God's purpose?
So what is his point????? "God creates people in the knowledge that all will end up at an eternal destination dictated by their own hearts desire." Come on now, you really can't believe this.If you do, then what is the point of it all? There is no way I can change my destiny. If your god know I am going to hell before I am born..then I am going to hell. Period! Why have me born into this world..hoping (If I believed in his exsistance) that I can get into heaven. When, in fact, I can not.

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fjp8000
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Message 17 of 479 (469814)
06-07-2008 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by iano
06-07-2008 7:37 PM


Re: What is God's purpose?
So what is his point????? "God creates people in the knowledge that all will end up at an eternal destination dictated by their own hearts desire." Come on now, you really can't believe this.If you do, then what is the point of it all? There is no way I can change my destiny. If your god knows I am going to hell before I am born..then I am going to hell. Period! Why have me born into this world..hoping (If I believed in his exsistance) that I can get into heaven. When, in fact, I can not.

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fjp8000
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Message 270 of 479 (492376)
12-30-2008 5:59 PM


Bible quotations...God
Guys, it has been a while since I first posted the question "Why did God forgive our sins" and I must say that I was very surprised at all the comments. But, I must tell you that I find it amusing that some of you quote the bible as if you personally verified its truth. Point is that you are relying on "stories" passed down through generations, then put into writing. The truth is based on your "faith". I once to had "faith" when I believed in Santa. After all, my parents told me there was a Santa and I saw pictures of him, read about him AND even saw the "real" Santa in the Mall. I also, recall having a fight with a guy, who was supposed to be my friend, who told me that there was no Santa. I gave him a bloody nose! Kind of like when I talk to people who believe in a God... They want to give a bloody nose too.
Consider this: The Old Testament speaks of a vindictive God who seems to enjoy killing man and/or his children. And he does all kinds of very bad things: Sodom & Gomorra, the great flood, the parting of the Red Sea and drowning all those Egyptian soldiers, etc.. I wonder if God ever thought of the innocent children he also killed or left without parents because he decided that the parents sinned. What a guy!!! No wonder why he is referred to as the “Father” . .Some father! Then the New Testament comes along and the old evil God somehow disappeared. Use some common sense! The Jews came up with the idea of a one God and, guess what, their one god theory was taken up by the Christians and the Jews were left behind . . God forbid that the Christians would accept Jews as part of their flock . So, they made up a story that the Jews rejected the “True God” and would someday be destroyed, by God, unless at the time of his coming they accepted him.. Give me a break!

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fjp8000
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Message 273 of 479 (492402)
12-30-2008 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by John 10:10
12-30-2008 9:02 PM


Re: Bible quotations...God
Really? How to you know that most people do not need god to forgive them for their sins????? You got a direct link to a god?
People verified the truth of the bible? Again..Really? Just how was this done?

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