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Author Topic:   Why did God forgive our sins?
Buzsaw
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Message 197 of 479 (492011)
12-25-2008 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by DevilsAdvocate
12-25-2008 6:35 PM


Re: Is There A Choice?
DA writes:
Yes, it is self-centered to think that anyone who doesn't agree with your worldview is destined for eternal damnation and torment. I choose to serve no one person or entity.
No doubt considering all of the knowledge of the Bible that you have acquired from your Biblical past you do understand that if the Biblical god be a true god and is supreme majesty and creator of the universe, you really have no choice. You ultimately choose to submit to him or you choose eternal damnation.
Nobody in their right mind would knowingly choose damnation if they believed that the Bible was a supernaturally inspired record. For this reason, my approach to helping someone like you is to help you understand that there is supernatural evidence in the record which support it's credibility. Until you truly come to realize it's credibility, it is useless to attempt to coax you into submitting to the Biblical god Jehovah and his son, the lord/master Jesus the messiah/christ.
This was likely Judas's problem. He was daily with the Jesus group going through all of the things they did but unlike the others, he never did come to recognize that Jesus was the true messiah/christ as prophesied in the OT scriptures.
Perhaps though, he like most of the Pharisees and Sadducee's, witnessed the miracles, but chose not to assume the responsibilities of submitting to a lord/master who preached damnation to the lost, suffering to his followers who would be persecuted for their choice and salvation to the repentant.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 366 of 479 (492885)
01-03-2009 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 364 by onifre
01-03-2009 4:22 PM


Re: Transformers - more than meets the eye.
onifre writes:
So does this mean that any interpretation is right or does it mean that none are right?
Here's a scripture verse quoting the apostle Paul to young Bible student, Timothy, relevant to that question:
II Timothy 2:15:
Give diligence to present yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth.
In the KJ version the word for diligence is study. Mastering the scriptures is not for novices. It does take a lot of diligent work and study to corroborate all of the writings of around 40 different authors so as to compare scripture with scripture on any given topic. Concordances, interlinears and Bible dictionaries are all helpful tools in this work.
By mine quoting scriptures out of context, deceivers can apply the scriptures to support just about any doctrine that suits their fancy.
1. The rule of thumb is unless the context and corroborating contexts indicate otherwise, restrict your interpretation to the literal wording.
2. Compare scripture with scripture. II Peter 1:20: "...no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation." In other words, let no private interpretation undermine what is written in the scriptures on any given topic.
3. The Bible is dispensational in that different scriptures apply dispensationally to what period/age they were intended. For example there was an age of Levitical priesthood applicable to the nation of Israel in the dispensation of the Levitical law. That was replaced by the dispensation of grace where the letter of the Levitical law to Israel was finished relative to animal sacrifice, Temple worship, etc.
The apostle John said in Revelation 1:3 relative to understanding the Revelation mysteries: {.....read....hear...keep what is written."

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 367 of 479 (492886)
01-03-2009 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 365 by Bailey
01-03-2009 5:24 PM


Re: Application Of Parables
the rabbi is alleged to speak in parables which, by nature, intend to convey multiple applications. Is that not the essense of a 'parable', whether spoken by us or Him?
The rabbi, Jesus's parables were intended to apply to the question or event/situation at hand, usually a question asked by the apostles or by his adversaries, the Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducee's.
Scriptures relative to the doctrine of the forgiveness of sins, the thread topic, btw, were not parables.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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