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Author Topic:   What if Satan reformed?
CK
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Message 8 of 234 (342811)
08-23-2006 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Archer Opteryx
08-18-2006 5:02 PM


How can Satan reform? He's a puppet in the play - if he could reform, it would be in the bible.
Christian God Concept creates the play and the players - if the script is different to the one presented in the bible, that goes against the currently held view of the christian god concept.

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Message 12 of 234 (342931)
08-24-2006 9:18 AM
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08-23-2006 4:53 PM


but that makes no sense at all - christian god concept exists outside time, he sees both the start and the end at all times. The only reason that satan choices to rebel is because god has created his universe in such a manner that the conditions and the personality of satan converge to make him decide to rebel. if god did not want him to rebel then the conditions would be different. It's impossible for satan to have free will because really cause and effect don't work properly - cause IS effect. God knows all the outcomes and satan would only repent because that is how god stacked the deck.
in addition, if satan has free will isn't he going to read the bible and attempt to do things differently? Well of course he cannot because he's a puppet in a play. If he could the bible would be wrong and etc etc...
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CK
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Message 21 of 234 (343708)
08-26-2006 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
08-26-2006 4:35 PM


Re: is satan a liberal? Is liberalism satanic?
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It appears that Satan is either unable and/or unwilling to see the truth.
To say he's unwilling suggests he's got a choice - are you suggesting the bible is not the word of God and therefore might be wrong about the endtimes? For example, Satan might not turn up etc etc.
If the bible is not simply guesswork about the future - where's the choice ?
If you believe in the endtimes, I don't understand how you can think there is any evidence of freewill in the bible.
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Many would argue that if it says it, it means literally that God made the heart hardened,
Because that's what it says - I never figured you for a christian who was unable to read his bible.
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