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Faith
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Message 226 of 234 (766259)
08-15-2015 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by ringo
08-15-2015 12:19 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
You aren't thinking, ringo. What the two thieves faced was nothing like what Jesus faced. Remember, He took the sins of all of us into Himself to atone for them, He took OUR punishment, not just the punishment of a thief, He endured being forsaken of God for all of us, which has been our lot since Adam sinned. We can't begin to understand what that means but your comparison is ludicrously paltry. You compare the loss of the supernatural presence of God to the loss of the temporal and spatial presence of a human mother. You have no clue. You dare to say ridiculous things about experiences you have no clue about.

Your theology is rotten.

That's exactly the problem. You treat good works as a natural result of your magical salvation, so you don't have to put any effort into it. I don't even believe in salvation; I treat good works as the right thing to do, for EVERYBODY.

Right, the unbelievers' mistake. You have no clue to what salvation means, don't mind applying silly terms like "magical" to it out of ignorance, and dare to impute your own paltry view to people who know better. Who said it takes no effort to do good works? What kind of nonsense are you pushing here? Works done in the power of God count, those done in the flesh don't, there's no difference in effort involved that I can think of, just that one is motivated by God and the other by human flesh.

Your theology is rotten.

And He doesn't send anyone to Hell. He saves people from the Hell they are going to from their own will.

Your theology is rotten.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 227 of 234 (766260)
08-15-2015 9:41 PM
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08-15-2015 9:26 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Remember, He took the sins of all of us into Himself to atone for them

What do sins feel like?


Love your enemies!

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Coyote
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Message 228 of 234 (766261)
08-15-2015 9:43 PM


Theology?
Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything.

Robert A. Heinlein

A lot more where that came from:

http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_RHeinlein.htm


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Faith
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Message 229 of 234 (766265)
08-15-2015 10:31 PM
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08-15-2015 9:41 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
It's not the sins but the punishment for the sins that hurts.
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Faith
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Message 230 of 234 (766266)
08-15-2015 10:37 PM
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08-15-2015 9:43 PM


Theology is the Queen of the Sciences
Heinlein hasn't a clue. I recently listened to some sermons by John MacArthur in which he emphasizes that theology is what it used to be known to be, the queen of the sciences. Wish I could remember where he said that, don't know if it was in his recent discussion about gay marriage, "We Will Not Bow" or his series in 1999 on the creation-evolution conflict, "The Battle for the Beginning." Also heard part of a sermon about the end times. All are at You Tube but since I don't think anyone here would bother to listen to any of it I won't offer any more precise references.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...


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Message 231 of 234 (766269)
08-15-2015 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Jon
08-15-2015 9:41 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Hi Jon,

Jon writes:

What do sins feel like?

Most are fun and very enjoyable to the flesh.

Why do you think people love to revel in sin?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Jon
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Message 232 of 234 (766290)
08-16-2015 10:37 AM
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08-15-2015 10:31 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Did he take the punishments?

Love your enemies!

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ringo
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Message 233 of 234 (766301)
08-16-2015 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
08-15-2015 9:26 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Faith writes:

Remember, He took the sins of all of us into Himself to atone for them, He took OUR punishment, not just the punishment of a thief, He endured being forsaken of God for all of us, which has been our lot since Adam sinned.


I remember that fiction.

Faith writes:

Who said it takes no effort to do good works?


I didn't say it takes no effort. I said that many professing Christians put no effort into it.

You, however, do seem to think that good works are automatic if you are "saved". Of course we know that isn't true. Christians have no monopoly on good works. Followers of other religions and even atheists do good works as frequently or more frequently.

Faith writes:

Works done in the power of God count, those done in the flesh don't....


So you're re-defining good works. According to you, good works are not just works that are good; they're something that you do "in the power of God". Does it matter whether they're good or not?

I'm not sure whether that's moving the goalposts or "No True Good Works".

Faith writes:

He saves people from the Hell they are going to from their own will.


I choose not to go to Hell, so I must not be going.
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ringo
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Message 234 of 234 (766302)
08-16-2015 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
08-15-2015 10:37 PM


Re: Theology is the Queen of the Sciences
Faith writes:

Wish I could remember where he said that....


That should be your signature.
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