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Author Topic:   Validity of differing eyewitness accounts in religious texts
CK
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Message 1 of 305 (201894)
04-24-2005 6:03 PM


In another thread, it was asked how the eyewitness accounts in the bible were more "valid" than similar content in other religious texts.
What is the criteria that we should (or do) use to make an assumption of validity?
quote:
Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. It befits not Allh that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: ‘Be!’ and it is. (Maryam 19:34-35)
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" truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then He said upon him, 'Be' and he was. (Al-Imran 3:59)
How would we decide if those accounts from the Koran are less valid than the accounts presented in the bible?
This message has been edited by General Krull, 24-Apr-2005 04:59 PM

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CK
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Message 50 of 305 (202149)
04-25-2005 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by TheStudent
04-25-2005 9:12 AM


Thank you very much for that very interesting first post (Well I learnt something about the Islamic religion that I didn't know before!)
Can I ask a question?
quote:
there is a famous book of Hadith (sayings and actions attributed to Muhammed) by imam bukhari.
Do we have a date on when the accounts were drawn together in this book?
Regards
Charles

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Message 116 of 305 (202351)
04-25-2005 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
04-25-2005 6:08 PM


Re: What about the religions where there is a large body of eye witness accounts
So if I show you bits of the bible that are the same as earlier accounts?

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CK
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Message 194 of 305 (203001)
04-27-2005 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Checkmate
04-26-2005 11:39 PM


Re: Validity of differing eyewitness accounts in religious texts
quote:
I was anxious to know whether you acknowledge your fallacious assertions by misquoting off target Qur'aanic verses to deduce assumptions derived using Biblical Yardstick. Also the topic and/or subject matter was neither well defined not agreed upon (Validity of differing eyewitness accounts in religious texts)
My apologies if I misquoted those sections of the Koran. In error, I assumed that the use of proper names for chapter titles meant that those sections were written by eye witnesses.
quote:
I would also like to know that why do you think that a "Divine Revelation" requires an eyewitness account. Islaam is unlike any other religions, where man makes and/or decides the god of picks the god through a council.
I don't think that Divine revelation requires an eyewitness account - I don't believe in god, so it's a bit of a moot point. The question was intended to determine the status of eyewitness accounts and in those circumstances you have provided some clear points why it is not a valid measurement for the Koran.
I'll skip off the religion rant bit as I don't think it's particularly helpful.
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The assertions made in your post are mute and proves nothing, beside that you have tried to judge the Qur'aan with Biblical yardstick. While the Bible can't even reach the perfectness of the Qur'aan, which is the truly Divine revealed word of Allaah.
I don't really see any assertions in the first post beyond, suggesting those quotes in error. I was posing a question.

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CK
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Message 220 of 305 (203346)
04-28-2005 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Checkmate
04-28-2005 10:46 AM


Re: Stop attacking the messenger.
I could be wrong but Admin Jar is a christian. Not everyone at the site is godless.
I see you have gone back to calling me a liar - as I explained in ERROR, I assumed that the chapter titles in the Koran worked in the same way as the bible. I WAS WRONG - I've said this multiple times now, what do you want? Fucking blood?

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