Supernatural events

I think what Phat means to say is that he has no reason to believe in this incident, but he can very easily believe that God can perform such an incident.I could pick many, many points in the video, logically. For example, -1. the expert says that it doesn't show signs of authenticity, well then, perhaps it's not authentic, rather than heavenly.2. The camera doesn't allow us to know if he had the dust on him precedingly, as there were only close ups after it apparently happened.3. The stone could have been in the grass all along, as the camera wasn't scanning the area.4. The credence of a person's reputation is not relevant to any claims. The woman at the start says how well known as good people they are. SO was Geoffrey Dahmer and Dennis Raider. They were, apparently, normal good folk.5. It's very convenient that not one stone can be spared for a scientific test, because they are precious. Not that I am saying that this is there way out of an experiment, but from a skeptical perspective, this doesn't bode well.6. If God doesn't want the stones tested, then the stones only fulfill people's belief, and don't evidence anything to people generally. Which begs the question, aren't signs and wonders for everyone? If we already see God's beauty in the sunset, then why the stones? Are not the believer's needs already met?7. I asked for my hand to be filled with gold dust by the time the video ended. I only got a sweaty palm.8. Need I prove my inner-Sherlock, anymore? If I don't, then it seems that Theists do observe reason afterall.

You know, randman believes in that gold filling hokum.

The question isn't so much, "What can God do?" but, "What does God do?"If God exists, He could certainly make it rain, but does that mean that every raindrop is a "sign and wonder" from God? He could certainly make precious gems, but would he do it just so those of weak faith can pat themselves on the back for choosing the "right" religion?

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yeah it's an odd one - who needs faith when God sends down an Angel with gemstones?

I noticed two instances of the images having been doctored. The first was rather innocent, it was a shot of the man holding a gem, in which his hands were in black and white, yet the gem was in full colour. Since it was a dramatization of previous events, I can overlook this.But the second instance was more serious. With the camera crew on scene, the man apparently sees another stone falling. He picks it up, starts crying (more drama), and what do we see next? We see the very same footage we saw before of the man holding the gem (Only now his hands are in colour too.)Now get this: the film was introduced by a woman going on endlessly about how serious the consequences are if someone were to present a false miracle. And then they go and do precisely that? Do people really buy this nonsense?RiVeRraT says he has no words for it. Well, neither do I, because some words I'd like to use, among which are 'gullible' and 'deceitful', somehow appear very, very inadequate.Edited by Parasomnium, : Grammar and style

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Particularly when I can run a refractive index on one in thirty seconds without harming the stone in the least. I'm betting 1.56 +/- 0.02 - like any other borosilicate glass.Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.

I don't know if I believe it... it's all kind of weird.... I've seen supernatural things, but the whole gold coming out of your skin is kind of odd....

And why would God use Gold? He could just remake the tooth with natural enamal?

The church reporting this event is just a few miles from where I live.I have sent an email to the church asking questions on if any testing has been done. Also plan to attend this church on Sunday and will be asking some questions.Does anyone know what it would take to measure the refraction index? Is this something a gemologist can easily do? Or does it require some very special equipement? I will offer to pay for the test if I can get the results.The film seems to imply that these are diamonds without actually saying it. I think the term "stones" is used.Also the gold should be very easy to identify.I will report my findings, stay tuned...Edited by troxelso, : No reason given.

I couldn't stand to watch enough video to hear what the stones are alleged to be, but I think I'd be able to furnish you (at no charge, in the interest of Science ) with small bottles of liquids matched to a few refractive indices - glass, ruby, diamond....etc. If you immerse a solid bit of something in a liquid of the same refractive index, the edges of the solid "disappear." So if you put crown glass, RI 1.53, in water, RI 1.33, you can see the glass. Put the glass in a toluene-{I'll have to look it up} mixture with RI 1.53, and you can't find it. You can even mix-as-you-watch liquids until the stone vanishes, and measure the index of the liquid later to get precise numbers.I'd think a gemologist, or an old-timey chemistry or physics department at a university, would also have instrumental ways to measure index. Chemists once did an index on every liquid compound they made, though solids weren't really routine. Pullman and Moscow are there close, no?

Well put.No one would want to see it be real more than me, but I can't believe it, unless it was me.The general concencus is that there is another rivial coming,( I have never experienced a rivial, so I am dumb about it) and I even feel God is going to appear in a mighty way. The feeling is that it will be the same as last time, but different. Different in that we are not to hog what it is God is blessing us with, but to go out and share it with others.

I don't think he verified his conclusion, and left it open to any possibility.

Just in case Ringo....just in case.

That will prove if it is supernatural or not?

Yes Moscow and Pullman or just over 90 miles away. However there are gemologist in town and I have an old acquintance in Spokane that is a gemologist. I want determine the refaction index and specific gravity. From what i understand cubic zerconia has a considerably larger specific gravity of diamond.But they can't be diamonds. What would be the estimated value of a beatifully cut >50 carat absolutely clear "conflict free" diamond?Plan to track down the expert witness referenced, Rick Hunt of "Gold and Mineralization Research", No mention of him or his company on goggle.To help aid in my detective work has anyone seen "stones" like those shown, for sale on ebay or anywhere on the web? They are very large "stones" I think they commented that they were greater than 50 carats.