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Dawn Bertot
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Message 51 of 110 (491668)
12-19-2008 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by jaywill
12-19-2008 7:51 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Jaywill writes:
I am thrilled to be able to have the Spirit of this Son of God flowing in me as rivers of living water. He is so beautiful and victorious. He is not only a good man. He is gloriously good with divine splendour. He is such a man - a man who expresses the highest morality and the divine attributes. His human virtues are glorious.
What a honor that I could receive His Spirit into me to live in me. For Jesus is in a form in which we can receive Him into our innermost spirit - "the last Adam [Christ] became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
I simply have found nothing and no one as valuable or as precious as Jesus. Nothing can compete with Him. Nothing can compare with Him. And He quenches my thirst for life.
He said He would flow out of our innermost being as rivers of living water. That is plural rivers. There is a river for my mind. There is a river for my emotions. There is a river for my will. There is a river for my memory. There is a river for my conscience. There is even a river for my body.
He said: "I have come that they may have life and may have it abundantly." (John 10:10)
You heard the song "I Can't Get No Satisfaction" by the Rolling Stones. Life on earth without the Holy Spirit of the resurrected Jesus is really void of the deep satisfaction that we all need.
You heard Jimi Hendrix sing:
"I don't live today. Maybe I'll live tomorrow. All I know is that I don't live today. I feel like I am living at the bottom of a grave.".
How true. Without the Holy Spirit we really are "dead in offenses and sins".
You heard the song about the man "Searching for a Heart of Gold. I've been to Red Wood. I've been to Hollywood. I've been searching for a heart of gold. And I'm getting old!"
How true. I tell you that this Jesus Christ is the "Heart of Gold.". He loves you and died and rose for you.
Forgive me. But I am going to cut off posting now and go to my knees and pray for you. I'm a kind of debating evangelist, you know?
Talk with you latter perhaps. Maybe I'll respond to your other comments.
Edited by jaywill, 12-19-2008 06:52 AM: No reason given.
I believe before you said you were a computer programmer, but perhaps you went into the wrong line of work. Or perhaps you should switch and do both at the same time. Maybe the public ministry is what you are suited to do best. Whether these fellas agree or not with the content of your posts as I do , you have a gift for gab. I think this is alot of hard work and study combined with the fact that he knew what you (like Paul) were going to be after your conversion, so this gift was given to you. "We have different gifts according to the grace given us". I dont know if you speak in the public sector, but in my view if you do not you are suppressing a talent.
Message 50, wow. Thats good stuff Maynard.
D Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 55 of 110 (491699)
12-19-2008 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by jaywill
12-19-2008 2:43 PM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Jaywill writes:
Thanks Bertot.
I do not do computer programming anymore.
I teach music lessons.
I try to pray about what I write.
I was many years a student of Witness Lee. We all tend to
to sound like him, a fact of which I have no shame.
The footnotes of the Bible The Recovery Version has many many of these things written in it in its voluminous study notes.
The Holy Bible Recovery Version
The future is opened to possibilies.
Thanks is appreciated but not necessary. You understanding of the scriptures is nothing short of impressive, your ability to communicate it is worthy of praise. I enjoy reading your post when I am not posting myself. I wish I had time to read them all but I dont.
Im not aquainted with the Living Stream ministries, is this a part of the J. Witnesses, the reason I asked is you mentioned Witness Lee and I am not familiar with him either. I am sure you are familiar with the Church of Christ, but I dont think there are alot of congregations out east or up north, atleast that is what I have seen from any research I have done.
Thanks for the site, I will take a look at it. Does the 'Recovery version', imply that your leaders thought something was wrong with the others, or is that just an expression?
Thanks again dude, see you around the site.
D Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 59 of 110 (491715)
12-20-2008 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by jaywill
12-20-2008 8:22 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Jaywill writes:
There you go! Great critical thinking skills displayed there. Assume that a group of rather vocal Young Earth Creationists must represent all Christians.
Can I do the same and suggest that you take your "students" somewhere to learn how to build faulty collapsing bridges?
Can I take a few lousy engineers and assume they represent the whole bunch of you all?
Double standard? You should have decided to be something else then when you found out that some engineers build structures wrong.
My reasons for believing in a more ancient earth are theological mostly and not due to dating methods. And you have no scientific fact which proves the falsity of this statement:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
As a matter of fact with all the talk about catastrophies in earth's history and the extinction of species, it seems that science is inching close to what Genesis tells me -
"And the earth became waste and emptiness, and darkness was on the surface of the deep." (Gen 1:2 RcV) "became" in verse two. And a number of Hebrew scholars translate it that way.)
So if you need a few million years or a few billion, we can well see that in Genesis before verse two.
Of late I hear more about prehistoric killer gas, killer comets, killer asteroids, killer ice, killer volcanoes, etc.
Seems modern science theories are inching closer to what Genesis 1:2 discribes as the condition of the earth before it was prepared for man's existence.
Edited by jaywill, 12-20-2008 07:25 AM: No reason given.
If it werent for others on the website watching and listening I would say dispense with the sparing with these hardline fellas and write a book, I would certainly but it. I am pretty good at it but I dont think I would want to meet you in a public debate, but then again I doubt there is much we would disagree on that mattered. Keep up the good work.
D Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 60 of 110 (491719)
12-20-2008 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Agobot
12-20-2008 9:56 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Agobot writes:
Yep, this is a much much bigger problem than theists like to admit or make it out to be.
No, not at all once it is put into perspective.
What i will say is not directed to you in particular, but to the whole auditorium as we kind of share the same interest - the desire to find out the truth about what we are and what this experience we collectively call life is.
Here i would recommend to anyone to get familiar with the life and prophecies of a local clairvoyant, named Vanga(commonly referred to as "Baba Vanga" - in Bulgarian this means Granny Vanga). She had(while she was alive) the stunning ability to predict future events and contact the dead. (this is not one of those 99.99% cases of false fortune tellers). I have all 4 books about her and practically know most everything about her life and abilities. Those books i've read at least 4 times each to make sense of her comments of the nature of our existence, as some of the things she says don't make sense to the casual reader - like the claim that she's being visited by invisible entities(she's blind) who claimed that they could travel anywhere at any time, because time and space did not exist.
Now this is where the greatest mystery lies about you fellas. You require the stricktest of evidence and nearly absolute proof of everything, (including the existence of God)but will nearly accept at the drop of a hat and a few books, that some women has some strage ability to predict who is at her door and belives aliens and dead people are talking to her. Amazing.
She says there is God but her predictions and the information she receives do not stem from contacts with god(she never said or implied she made such a contact) but from entities from another planet. Bear in mind that her intellectual level is low and sometimes how she interprets the information she receives might be wrong or too vague.
You did see the episode of the 'Twilight Zone', "to serve man" correct, be very careful of those sneaky aliens. I dont suppose she ever made an attempt at the lottery numbers or the horses,, coreect? Or perhaps she could tells us what is the fate of the planet. Or were her skills limited to knowing there were salesmen outside the door?
Don't take for granted all you read about her prophecies on the net. I've seen multiple predictions that are not hers, but are attributed to her by sensation seekers. The only authentic source is the books of her relatives about Vanga, she was illiterate and could neither read nor write. I have no idea if there are translations in English, I am only aware of Russian ones. If anyone is interested google her name, or buy the books on her(just bear in mind that there many fake predictions attributed to her on internet, that i've never seen in the books).
Again, simply amazing. I also have a psychic answering service on my phone, it says, "I know who you are and what you want, so if I am interested, I will have already called you back, have a nice day". Ha ha
I know this sounds outrageous but before you wave this off as folly, give it a critical look, it's mind-boggling.
Ok Ok, Ill take a look, but it better be worth my time, or Im blaming you, ha ha.
D Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 62 of 110 (491727)
12-20-2008 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Agobot
12-20-2008 11:03 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Agobot writes:
Too bad you can't read Bulgarian - on the forums here hundreds of people are sharing what Vanga predicted for them and how accurate it was. The phenomenon Vanga is a very big problem for science.
For your information I read Russian and Bukgarian just fine, thank you, its just that I cant understand it. Ha
By the way in a few minutes I am going out to get the powerball tickets for the work group, so if you youve got any inside information or know someone who does, boy it would really help. No Im serious ill pay. Your a hoot Agobot.
D Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 66 of 110 (491741)
12-20-2008 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Agobot
12-20-2008 2:26 PM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Agabot the Hoot writes:
It doesn't make sense and it looks silly and absurd until you see the 80% success rate of her predictions. BTW, roughly 1 in 20 Bulgarians has either visited her or had relatives/friends who did.
Its now to late I have already purchased the tickets for this evening and you and that nice old lady were no help. Now I am going to rely soley on chance to be a millionare. In the future could you get the winning numbers to me quicker, please

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 67 of 110 (491801)
12-21-2008 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Agobot
12-20-2008 2:26 PM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
A writes:
What language is Bukgarian that you are able to read? I just googled it and couldn't find anything on it. If you were referring to Russian and Bulgarian, can you read this - "‘, "? (that's our alphabet - it's called cyrillic and you can't read it)
Bukgarian is a language that exists when you have your contacts in and you cant find your reading glasses and are in a hurry to get to work, trying to type a quick post.
I told you before I can not only read what you have posted but any other language just fine, I simply can't understand them. So put that in your smipe and poke it, madam psychic.
Im assuming sense she could be contacted by dead people while she was alive, that she will or should be able to contact you now that she is passed on. So if you do contact her have her give me a haunt, scare or whatever it is they do and give me some indside skinny on the lotto. Tell her, him, it or whatever it is now I will pay.
Have a nice psychic day.
D Bertot
D Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 69 of 110 (492016)
12-26-2008 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Agobot
12-21-2008 10:27 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Ag writes:
You'll be better off reading the book that states that the grand, grand...-mother of your wife was made from a rib. BTW, i want to see just one detailed prediction like - "At the turn of the century, in August 1999 or 2000, Kursk will sink and the whole world will be weeping over it" in your holy book being fulfilled and i will send you $1000 with Western Union to fund your sports activities.
The submarine sank on 14 August 2000.
What you are failing to understand is that in these instances the same person no doubt made several predictions about many other things within that year, before and after the Kursk, many of which never came to pass. In other words Agobot, if you throw 50 pennies at a coffee can, from 50 feet, one is probably going to go in the can, in other words you will probably get lucky, but then you may not. Joseph Smith and all the modern day prophets do and did the samething. The same predictions were made concerning the Titanic, which never made it into print or the media.
Besides this why does this ACURATE psychic need a five month window, cant she get it exact and accurate within a few days? This reminds me of the Voo-Doo fellas that put a curse on you and assure you that within this or that amount of time you will suffer bad luck, ill fate or death. Question, if they have the POWER, why not just do it while thier in front of you.
Agobot dont be so naive.
Bertot writes:
I told you before I can not only read what you have posted but any other language just fine, I simply can't understand them. So put that in your smipe and poke it, madam psychic.
AG writes:
Does that mean that you can also read Chinese, Thai and Japanese without speaking these languages?
You do understand that I am making a joke here, correct?
D Bertot
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