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Agobot
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Message 58 of 110 (491713)
12-20-2008 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by caldron68
12-18-2008 9:03 PM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
caldron69 writes:
How can you possibly enter into a loving relationship with God when you know that he ordered the murder of children and infants? And more than once, I might add.
Yep, this is a much much bigger problem than theists like to admit or make it out to be.
What i will say is not directed to you in particular, but to the whole auditorium as we kind of share the same interest - the desire to find out the truth about what we are and what this experience we collectively call life is.
I am not going to pretend that i know the answers and i will first make a disclaimer that i am a very down to Earth individual who used to be an atheist for more than 31 years. I am sane and I do not believe in fairies, murmaids, unicorns and similar fictional entities(yes, this last part gets a new meaning as of lately).
Here i would recommend to anyone to get familiar with the life and prophecies of a local clairvoyant, named Vanga(commonly referred to as "Baba Vanga" - in Bulgarian this means Granny Vanga). She had(while she was alive) the stunning ability to predict future events and contact the dead. (this is not one of those 99.99% cases of false fortune tellers). I have all 4 books about her and practically know most everything about her life and abilities. Those books i've read at least 4 times each to make sense of her comments of the nature of our existence, as some of the things she says don't make sense to the casual reader - like the claim that she's being visited by invisible entities(she's blind) who claimed that they could travel anywhere at any time, because time and space did not exist.
She is the most popular clairvoyant in whole of Russia. I have friends from Ukraine and Moscow(i speak Russian) and the whole of Russia knows about her(this is easily verifiable on the net, it would help if you speak Russian). I sometimes get the impression that she's as popular there as she was here. That holds particularly true after she predicted in 1982 that "Kursk keh potane i celia sviat shte go oplakva" which is a dialect in Bulgarian that means "Kursk will sink and the whole world will weep over it"(i have the book printed and published in 1986). At the time no one could figure out what this meant since Kursk city does not lie on any sea. It was not until 2000 that it was realised the Kursk submarine did sink; the weep part of the prediction was also true - this event was truly dramatic and emotional, particularly for us Bulgarians who share many similarities with Russians.
She had the amzing ability to know who was waiting outside her house(there have always been queues of people waiting) and selectively was inviting people who she found to be carrying worthy problems. She would describe the problem of the person and why that person was coming to visit her, before the person even opened his/her mouth. Hitler visited her in 1942 and left her house very angry and agitated. Since then, all of our presidents have sought her advice, including many foreign ones. She's being quoted in practically every language by the press the world over.
The local Christian church has labeled her "Devil's messenger" and refused to let her step into any chruch.
She says the dead show up before her and they talk to her and it's been confirmed that the dead are giving information to Vanga that she has no way of finding out for tens of thousands of people.
She says there is God but her predictions and the information she receives do not stem from contacts with god(she never said or implied she made such a contact) but from entities from another planet. Bear in mind that her intellectual level is low and sometimes how she interprets the information she receives might be wrong or too vague.
Don't take for granted all you read about her prophecies on the net. I've seen multiple predictions that are not hers, but are attributed to her by sensation seekers. The only authentic source is the books of her relatives about Vanga, she was illiterate and could neither read nor write. I have no idea if there are translations in English, I am only aware of Russian ones. If anyone is interested google her name, or buy the books on her(just bear in mind that there many fake predictions attributed to her on internet, that i've never seen in the books).
I know this sounds outrageous but before you wave this off as folly, give it a critical look, it's mind-boggling.
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5520 days)
Posts: 786
Joined: 12-16-2007


Message 61 of 110 (491722)
12-20-2008 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Dawn Bertot
12-20-2008 10:33 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Bertot writes:
Now this is where the greatest mystery lies about you fellas. You require the stricktest of evidence and nearly absolute proof of everything, (including the existence of God)but will nearly accept at the drop of a hat and a few books, that some women has some strage ability to predict who is at her door and belives aliens and dead people are talking to her. Amazing.
In my book, correct predictions count as evidence. Too bad you can't read Bulgarian - on the forums here hundreds of people are sharing what Vanga predicted for them and how accurate it was. The phenomenon Vanga is a very big problem for science.
But your scepticism is not illogical, i would have reacted in the same way you did.
At a quick glance, this Romanian site has correct information about her except for the part about that Russian scientist(i don't believe that part):
http://www.vamfim.go.ro/vanga.html
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5520 days)
Posts: 786
Joined: 12-16-2007


Message 65 of 110 (491736)
12-20-2008 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dawn Bertot
12-20-2008 11:55 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
Bertot writes:
For your information I read Russian and Bukgarian just fine, thank you, its just that I cant understand it. Ha
What language is Bukgarian that you are able to read? I just googled it and couldn't find anything on it. If you were referring to Russian and Bulgarian, can you read this - "‘, "? (that's our alphabet - it's called cyrillic and you can't read it)
Bertot writes:
By the way in a few minutes I am going out to get the powerball tickets for the work group, so if you youve got any inside information or know someone who does, boy it would really help. No Im serious ill pay.
It doesn't make sense and it looks silly and absurd until you see the 80% success rate of her predictions. BTW, roughly 1 in 20 Bulgarians has either visited her or had relatives/friends who did.
Bertot writes:
Your a hoot Agobot
I think you might benefit from this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/...sh-Grammar-Textbook/dp/1862024790

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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5520 days)
Posts: 786
Joined: 12-16-2007


Message 68 of 110 (491809)
12-21-2008 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Dawn Bertot
12-21-2008 9:21 AM


Re: What is your damn point ICAN?
You'll be better off reading the book that states that the grand, grand...-mother of your wife was made from a rib. BTW, i want to see just one detailed prediction like - "At the turn of the century, in August 1999 or 2000, Kursk will sink and the whole world will be weeping over it" in your holy book being fulfilled and i will send you $1000 with Western Union to fund your sports activities.
The submarine sank on 14 August 2000.
Bertot writes:
I told you before I can not only read what you have posted but any other language just fine, I simply can't understand them. So put that in your smipe and poke it, madam psychic.
Does that mean that you can also read Chinese, Thai and Japanese without speaking these languages?

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