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Author Topic:   Faith and belief
anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 102 of 124 (418058)
08-26-2007 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by pelican
08-26-2007 4:05 AM


Re: What the bleep is truth?
dameeva writes:
Reality is what we are conscious of.
So who constitutes "we." Is it the royal "we" in which you are speaking on behalf of your 'subjects'?
Has it occurred to you that someone else's perceptions of reality, even just based upon different sensory inputs and interpretations, and therefore anyone else's reality, may be different than yours?
Does the 'wild child' speak the king's English?
Reality appears to me to be rather democratic in nature, it is by agreement. If you would like to meet some people who disagree with 'reality,' the town I live in has a state mental hospital where you can hear and consider alternative versions.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 858 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 104 of 124 (418061)
08-26-2007 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by pelican
08-26-2007 4:34 AM


History Lesson Once Again
dameeva writes:
Have you looked at the history books lately? A lot of things have changed for the better but at a cost. Some things have gotten steadily worse. The fear and the terror, rife in the world, has never been so great. This is the legacy we are giving our children.
Have you looked at the history books lately?
"The fear and terror, rife in the world, has never been so great?"
Since when?
Greece? (like Sparta and Athens were lovey-dovey)
Rome? (ever heard of Caligula, Nero, Domitian, or Caracalla, for a few?)
Palestine? (remember all those OT genocides?)
How about those nice middle ages in Europe? embrace the lord as a serf, tolerate the plague, burn the witch, play fun games with the infidel. Not to mention that advanced scientific, medical, and agricultural technology that resulted in one chance in two to die before age five.
But why limit this observation to the 'western world?' I wonder if Celts, some Western Hemisphere Indians, or even Carthaginians, may have found the practice of human sacrifice a bit disturbing, particularly if one was on the receiving end.
{ABE} Beyond direct human sacrifice, one must consider the fear and suffering that involved indigenous populations in the process of colonization, be it the mass extermination of the American Indian or Australian Aborigine through acts of violence or incidental disease, or the death of between 20 and 100 million Africans as a result of only the 'modern' slave trade. The combination of all three factors as recently as the 1880's resulted in the death of 5 million Africans in the Congo, half the population, a figure one million shy of the holocaust. The victims had a legitimate fear of terror far beyond what any modern person could even begin to conceive.{/ABE}
Of course all this "fear and terror, rife in the world" in the past, when so many starved to death, such as in China at the end of the Ming (among other times), or in Europe at the fall of the Western Roman Empire, or due to the plague, actually reduced the total population of the world, had no emotional effect upon the people involved.
So what is the argument? That we suffer more because we have radio, TV, the internet and therefore are more aware? Or is the argument that people in the past somehow suffered less because they were somehow less human?
I'm sorry, IMHO your post indicates a complete lack of both relative empathy and even the most remote knowledge of world history.
Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 858 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 109 of 124 (418194)
08-26-2007 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by pelican
08-26-2007 9:09 PM


Re: What the bleep is truth?
dameeva writes:
You obviously do not know who I am, child.
I agree to a point, I do not know who you are beyond what you post, which, as I have pointed out, shows an abysmal lack of knowledge about world history.
So, who do you claim to be?
Also, calling me or anyone else here a 'child,' 'boy,' or whatever playground moniker you may choose clearly shows that you are unwilling to discuss the issues if it involves your cerebral cortex as opposed to your emotion-laden R-complex.
Many full grown adults can admit when they are wrong. How about you?

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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