Faith and belief

All this talk of "manifestation," especially associated with "new car, house, job..." sounds suspiciously like the Word-Faith movement in the charismatic churches (see also Laws of Prosperity) otherwise known as "Postiive Confession" or "Name It and Claim It."While, to me, it doesn't sound any more absurd than faith in general, it seems that beneath the "positive" veneer lies something insidious (probably not intentional, but there, nonetheless).If a group of people can claim that prosperity comes to those who "claim it" with enough faith, then it logically follows that those who do not prosper (ie the poor, the sick or the otherwise unfortunate) are only in that state because of lack of (proper) faith. IOW, being poor or sick becomes a sign of degenerate faith, wrong faith, lazy faith or no faith at all and they deserve everything they get (or don't get).Christapitalism at its finest Edited by Jaderis, : No reason given.

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London

You might want to read this analysis of the concepts used in What the Bleep.From the article: Check this out, too(it is linked to at the end of the above article, but you might miss it).Edited by Jaderis, : No reason given.

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London

You can believe whatever you want and if you feel that your faith has produced miracles in your life, then good for you, but don't expect us to ooh and ahh over some crackpot's "experiment" with water crystals.Oh and what I said about the "Name it and Claim it" movement apparently also applies to the Ramtha cult people who put out this movie and whose ideas you are advocating. If we can positively affect our lives through our thoughts then it logically follows that people with cancer or AIDS or even genetic disorders like cyctic fibrosis or Down's syndrome are either to blame for their diseases and/or can simply change them through positive thinking.William Arntz - one of the directors of What the Bleep - even said as much. (source)In the very next paragraph we get this interesting tidbit: Another logical progression from believing that thoughts can change reality - programming people to only think the correct thoughts because their thoughts can harm people, plants, water crystals and the whole world.

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London