Faith and belief

Excuse me Rob, but can you outline these "universal morals" that, in your opinon, apply to everyone?

Not at all. I replied to what you wrote. Thing is, in the 'real world' it is a lot easier to get away with broad generalizations of some 'God concept' than it is at EvC, where we have all picked our particular beliefs to the bone. You want to talk about God, I want to know "which God?" I am still trying to figure out which points you have made. Then please clarify. Are you actually looking for any debate? You just seem irked that people don't agree with you. What would be interesting to you?

Dameeva: Everything!What would be the point in finding God if it were not a 'good' thing? And what would be the point in leaving our past unless it were bad?Why not just stay where we are?Dameeva: Adolf Hitler's path was certainly unique. But you embrace the beauty of him living out 'his reality'?

Anastasia, if you read my first post you would clearly see that I am asking a question of who god is. "How would god manifest?" If I knew who or what god is or represents, I wouldn't be asking.
You appear to disagree with my definitions of godliness but don't offer a reason. You just dismissed my opinion.The actual debate (as in discussion, not argument) was intended for those already experiencing manifestations from within and are also searching for more meaning e.g god but not only. The question was, 'how would the same energies that are manifesting in our lives would\could\are manifesting god'?You see the manifestations being experienced are not random. We know where our focus lies and we know of our belief system and we have faith in those beliefs. We know we have influence over those manifestations\experiences, but we also know it is the tip of the iceberg. There is much more to humanity than we ever dreamed of.That is where I intended to take this discussion. To see if collaboration of experiences could take us one step further.I do not want to be stuck in the past with old fashioned notions and outdated traditions. You stick to them if you want but I want to move on. We are in 2007 A.D.

Why would it be immoral for us to do so?I don't care if you believe that, just don't impose it onto me. Be consistent!Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

To oppose an imposition is not inconsistent with defending liberty.Surely you can do better than that.

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Talk about old fashioned.

Instead, you found that EvC is more a collection of:A. cool rational people who consider all of it woo-woo
B. cool rational people who believe God is not Something WE can manifest
C. people with a diehard belief in a theory oppositional to yours No, I am asking for YOUR opinion, because I can't answer how God could manifest if I don't believe in a God who COULD manifest via our own 'energies'. You already know I believe in the same old same old Judeo-Christian Biblical God, which belief does not include this:

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The question was, 'how would the same energies that are manifesting in our lives would\could\are manifesting god'?

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so the onus is on you to exemplify the kind of 'god' that we can make up ourselves.

Rob, you still haven't answered my question.
What are these universal morals that you think apply to everyone, not just yourself?

Omnivorous: Waffling?Of course not, that is not the question. The question is, what are the condidtions that make it possible? And can they demonstrate an ability to produce biologically meaningful material, or create an environment that is coducive to their formation and preservation? (Ilya Prigogine, Gregoire Nicolis & Agnes Babloyants, "Thermodynamics of Evolution," Physics Today, (Vol. 25, November 1972) p. 23.)Omnivorous... let me ask you about your knowledge on the subject...Do you think that the first law of thermodynamics does not apply to the earth because of the status of it's system?Where do you think it was discovered? (Charles J. Smith, "Problems with Entropy in Biology," Biosystems (Vol. 1, 1975), p. 259.)Perhpas you should spend some time actually challenging some of the status quo's assumptions.Now...I was making th case for the legitimacy of logic and our dependancy on it, and it's objective character. And that furthermore it is uncaused.

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Neither of these posts (70, 71) are on topic here Rob. You contributed to the closing of one thread, are you trying to kill another?

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Since you seem to want to drag this off topic too Rob. You can take a 12 hour break.

[Adolf Hitler's path was certainly unique. But you embrace the beauty of him living out 'his reality'?]Oh good lord, where did adolph hitler come into this? Where is your head? However this is a perfect example of why we need to know others' unique paths. It is of no use ignoring others' paths that are different to our own. Understanding is the key to unite the whole of humanity. [What would be the point in finding God if it were not a 'good' thing?]
What a stupid question. Makes no more sense than asking, 'what would be the point in finding god if it was a bad thing'. Huh?????I really didn't know faith and belief were exlusive to god. I am referring to faith and belief as energies not as moral codes or ways of being. Faith and belief manifest in our experiences whether or not you wish to believe it.I believe we are on the brink of discovery that will change the world for the whole of humanity and all you do is throw cold water on it. You non-believer!

Yes very funny. ha ha. I am amused. What era do your beliefs stem from?