Politcally Correct Christ

Like most people I would call Nietzsche an existentialist. Nietzsche disapproved of nihilism. He considered it an unhealthy mentality and proposed remedies for it in his philosophy. (That's a good definition of an existentialist, in fact. One who faces nihilism but doesn't embrace it. One who finds meaning.)But--this will interest you--Nietzsche would have considered you a nihilist.Nietzsche considered the Christian religion, the Buddhist religion, and the music of Richard Wagner (among other things) to be nihilistic thought forms.Nihilism is nearly always a charge leveled at someone else's ideas. Few people walk around claiming to be nihilists. Far, far fewer mean it.And that's good. I have known people who said it and meant it. I'm with Nietzsche on that point: not a healthy way to be.Robin's not in that category. His misanthropic attention-seeking is to nihilism what holding one's breath until one turns blue is to anoxia.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

I'm not misanthropic and I'm not seeking attention any more than anyone else. Actually, I've made an attempt to stop talking about "nihilism" on this board since being warned I was always steering conversations in that direction, but everybody keeps bringing it up. There's an old thread called "In Defense of Nihilism" which I would link but I can't get "search" to work. My version doesn't involve having some sort of aggressive negativity as you seem to be suggesting, although Schrafinator thinks I'm extremely negative. I do object to sentimental worldviews, and I don't like boasting. There's another thread called "The Boasts of Atheists" which I thought quite accurate, but a lot of people said was inane and "attention-getting."As far as my relationship with "fundies," Iano keeps trying to convert me, which I don't mind so much since I realize he thinks that's his duty. I mentioned once that I had an appreciation of some of Jesus' sayings, and he jumped on that, but what I meant was a literary appreciation.The politics of this board is such that the atheists are in league with the "nice" liberal Christians to do in the few fundies, who are considered ignorant and wicked. So I feel a certain sympathy for the underdog. There's no need for me to attack the fundamentalist position since there's so many other posters to do that. I would rather attack the New Age PC Christians whose ideas bore me no end, and the boasting atheists who talk about how wonderful life is without God.Maybe we can straighten all this out in some other thread.Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

didn't you write numerous posts on other threads proclaiming how everyone's invited to God's 'club' ?didn't I desparately try to convince you that there was a condition involved, that we have accept the whole blood sacrifice saga in order to get an invite ?didn't you vehemently deny this ?P.S what happened to all of us who lost out faith then ? did God "unmake" us ?

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

Not at all: the earliest accounts of Jesus's ministry (the synoptic gospels) offer none to minimal support for the 'Jesus-as-an-atonement-sacrifice' concept.The concept would also be alien to Jews who practiced substitution sacrifices for specific, already-committed sins (see: Leviticus) and not one sacrifice for all future sins.This ridiculous concept was invented by Paul who was trying to sell Christianity to the Romans and Greeks and the idea of a mystical Jesus who took upon him the punishment that God reserved for mankind (see: Prometheus myth) was much more inline with their culture than with the Jewish one.so, IMO jar's belief has a much firmer footing in the core of the Bible than your average Protestant posting here (mention no names )

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

That's not what I was referring to here. I was talking about Jar's idea about how we have to learn to love ourselves.As regards the atonement, the New Testament is full of it.

Ain't that the truth? Brian.Edited by Brian, : No reason given.

What the intent of the gunman is open to question. What we can conclude is that one result occurred from his action. "Shit!". Now if this was the intent of the gunman then his purpose has been achieved. If "shit!" can be used as a catalyst for a chain reaction then it could be a very good purpose indeed.It is not possible to follow the commandment in practice you will find. Theoretically perhaps - but not practically. Put it this way. No one ever has (bar one) Perhaps - but the analogy pointed back to the premise of the post initialising the "Shit!" game. The person has been convinced of the things contained within. If you were convinced that lawbreaking would result in eternal fire and that you were convinced also that you were unable to keep the law then you only reaction would be "shit!". Not all the other posturing. All other posturing is that of one who is not convinced of those things. I meant no sizzling under the fire in the sense of your ducking out by saying you have an other interpretion. I expected mine would suffer some of your rigor. I see no threat in that statment. Its a declaration as to purpose of law. One which I have been elaborating on with you. If the law does its work then "shit!" will be pressed out of a man as "squeak!" is pressed out of a rubber duck who has been run over by a lorry. Mission accomplished. Because if you had any option but him then your "shit!" didn't start with a capital S. I should have stressed than then. Typo. Correct. I lacked righteousness. And was just convinced of that fact. The gospel is only good news for bad people who are convinced they are bad. It is not good news for bad people who still think they are good. Your forgetting the purpose of the law again. He will always be the last port of call - we will all wander in the desert before reaching the promised land (assuming we do). He is the last port of call, but if called upon then he becomes first. There are no conditions. Did a duck who was run over by the lorry of the law and squeaked fulfill any conditions? Or was it the lorry who did the work? The law does the work. Our very own sin is the fuel that keeps it going. We are the object on which this work is being carried out. There are no conditions to be fulfilled by us. We do nothing at all. I did something. I squeaked... I spent 38 years on the outside Brian. I saw all I could stomach. Squeak!Its a gift Brian. No earning involved. Every single person on the planet will be saved unless they reject salvation. We can do nothing to earn or enable or contribute to our salvation. We can only earn, enable and contribute to our damnation. "The wages of sin is death - (a wage (damnation) is something earned). But the gift of God is eternal life IN Christ Jesus" Love my neighbour. Anytime I do not I am not following the command. And not following it even once results in damnation. 1 sin is 1 too many. Dunno - he saw a little

More love and concern and a horror at the consequences for you should you remain as you are. There is very little sense of duty involved. Its quite enjoyable in fact. Edited by iano, : No reason given.

When 'search' is slow or broken you can use this little trick to search instead. For completeness you can find the thread at In defense of nihilism.If you use firefox I have created a plugin that can add it to your search bar.Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.Edited by AdminModulous, : subtitle change

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Yes I did. And they still are "All day long I have held out my hands to a wicked and disobedient people" he says. You did. If a rubber duck gets run over by a lorry and it squeaks has the rubber duck done anything? He has squeaked (accepted the blood sacrifice) but he did not do anything. The truck did. Unless the truck runs over him he will never squeak. There is no condition that we can fulfill. All we can do is avoid the truck running over us. In doing so we do all that is necessary in order for us to be damned. Damned is the only thing we have a part to play in. We can fulfill all the conditions involved in that. Nope. Either a person is a Christian who has backslidden. This does not unmake them a Christian. To heaven they will go. Or a person was never a Christian in the first place - they probably had Religion. Brian says he was once a Christian but he has (despite his obvious knowledge) no clue at all about the mechanism of salvation. Not a clue. I doubt he ever was a Christian.

Yeah I know N had nothing good to say about Christianity. I know he is an existentialist. He's not as self-deluded in that enterprise as Sartre and others, though, in their determination to find meaning where they have declared it impossible, assert a morality they've pronounced insupportable.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I think you mean 'was'. He believes in God now. But even the demons believe that.

robinrohan: iano: But all that love-bombing stops once someone signs up, I notice. Then Ian disavows 'sentiment' and gets down to the business of deciding which of his brothers and sisters are real Christians and which are not, which have a clue and which do not, which are merely backslidden and which are truly hellbound. He starts cheering on anyone who attacks the Christians he doesn't care for, regardless of how rudely the attackers do it and whether they profess any religious beliefs at all.Robin does much better to keep Ian chasing him around the board with his empty hand out. It ensures far more respectful treatment.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

This ArcherOpterix is turning out to be something of a Koutsi Papia (dead duck)Your not CK are you?Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

I've noticed this lately, it's quite amusing. I think Iano, desperate for a conversion somehow sees robin as his most likely 'Score'Typical christian tactic I think. Find the person who is (or at least seems to be - apologies RR) at some kind of a low point, or experiencing some kind of despair (apologies again RR but that's how you come across), then sink your teeth in. The prey will resist at first, but after a little while, as the poison sinks in, or in the case of christianity, untill the person is made to feel worthless and utterly dependant, to the point where they will turn to anything, salvation is presented, no explanation needed, just a way out, any way out.there is proboly a psychological term for this, dunno what it is, some variation on stockholm sydrome maybe?either way, it is amusing.Edited by Creavolution, : left out quote