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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
...not a chosen style of life,... Please tell us all when it was you chose to be a heterosexual. I personally didn't make a choice, I've only been sexually attracted to the opposite sex. There is much scientific research into the whole sexual orientation area and it mostly points to a biological cause not a "choice".
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
w00t!!!
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Na, it's all in your mind.
Maybe your gay and you don't know it yet. Anyway, it was all discussed in another thread, lets not make this the gay thread, something that seems to happen a lot around here.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5703 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
There is much scientific research into the whole sexual orientation area and it mostly points to a biological cause not a "choice". Biological cause eh? That makes perfect evolutionary sense. Please. If that were even remotely true then all homosexuals would be gone in 1 generation (because they wouldn't procreate 'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Anyway, it was all discussed in another thread, lets not make this the gay thread, something that seems to happen a lot around here. Well then why did you bring it up if you didn't want to discuss it?
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
You are beyond help Tal. Your understanding of evolution would embarrass a ten year old. Why don't you read the scientific literature out there before you type out more howlers like "all homosexuals would be gone in 1 generation (because they wouldn't procreate".
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If you followed the messages back, you would see that it was the Lam that first mentioned gay, back in message 56.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Your reply that I replied to was to Schraf, and you brought up the "gay Gene", nobody else did. Lam's posting was about hate directed at gays and the indoctrination of children with this hate. No genes. We are way off topic so I won't bother to pursue this.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Yea, of course not, because you are not following the topic anyway.
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Philip Member (Idle past 4749 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
Please. If that were even remotely true then all homosexuals would be gone in 1 generation (because they wouldn't procreate <----Notice (Please forgive my intrusion )As if NS could ever explain conversion-experiences, homosexuality, religious dilemmas, lawlessness, hypocrisy, etc.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 503 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
For the last time, people, it ain't matter if it's a choice or not. So what if a consenting adult chooses to fly an airplane, work with computers, go to the movies every Saturday night, etc.? Are you guys saying that you have to be genetically programed to do these things in order to do these things legally?
The gene argument is silly at best.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2919 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Biological cause eh? That makes perfect evolutionary sense. Please. If that were even remotely true then all homosexuals would be gone in 1 generation (because they wouldn't procreate <----Notice proevolve). This is an example of the logical fallacy of "appeal to ignorance" (If I can't explain it, it could not happen). (1) How do you explain homosexuality in animals if there is no biological cause? http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm (2) Some gays do in fact reproduce even though most of their sexual partners may be the same gender. All it takes is one opposite gender partner to reproduce. (3) Recessive traits can be quite deliterious (killing homozygous individuals before they can reproduce - hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia) but still be carried in the population because the heterozygous individual has some advantage (sickle cell confers malaria resistance). (4) There are natural selection arguments for why a gay gene might be advantageous in a population. If one of my offspring is gay it might make it more likely that my grandchildren will survive and reproduce. Say I have two children, one gay and the other straight. The straight one reproduces. The gay one, although not able to reproduce, still has maternal/paternal feelings for his nephews/nieces. This gives the nephews and nieces (my grandchildren) an advantage, since they effectively have three parents (or even four if there is a gay partner). If the gay gene were recessive (likely), it is quite possible that it could be carried along in the population and only individuals homozygous for the trait would be gay.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 503 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
deerbreh writes:
I think you should just stop worrying with people like the rat and Tal. They've been ignoring my gay penguin info. Sure, if it's really a choice, then perhaps these animal are capable of choice and we should start treating them like choice making people.
(1) How do you explain homosexuality in animals if there is no biological cause?
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