Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 63 (9162 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 916,386 Year: 3,643/9,624 Month: 514/974 Week: 127/276 Day: 1/23 Hour: 1/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Prophecy
Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3618 days)
Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 61 of 140 (379857)
01-25-2007 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 11:07 AM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Why are there earthquakes and typhoons in Taiwan?
Charley, with characteristic charm, suggests:
It might well be that Taiwanians as a nation are heathens?
Interesting you should say that, Charley. Ever compare the numbers of Christians in Taiwan to the number of Christians in Israel?
If your Christian God is so eager to write a blank check to Israel on religious grounds, Taiwan should get by without even asking.
For that matter, I wonder if you have ever compared the proportion of Christians in the Palestinian population with the proportion of Christians in Israel's population? Another eye-opener there for you when you're ready to abandon your Sunday School stereotypes.
Another silly fantasy bites the dust. Sorry, Charley.
Let me suggest an alternate hypothesis for you to consider.
Plate tectonics. Taiwan sits on top of a subduction zone. The island is one result of that subduction zone. You're looking at a lot of mountain-building acitivity, and that activity has pushed mountains up form the seafloor to past the sea level to create this island. That activity is still going on. And that means earthquakes. It just goes with the territory.
For the typhoons, latitude and water. Cyclonic storms form in open ocean near the equator. After that they typically move westward. This happens for understandable geophysical reasons. Any land near the equator with a lot of ocean to the east--like Taiwan or Florida or Jamaica--is going to find itself rather frequently in the path of these storms.
Anyone asserting that natural phenomena represent 'punishment' for religious or political behavior has to account for this: earthquakes and typhoons have been going on in all these areas since long before any of the nations or religions existed. These natural events took place in these areas thousands of years before they were even inhabited.
___
Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : same.

Archer
All species are transitional.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 56 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 11:07 AM johnfolton has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 62 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 6:38 PM Archer Opteryx has not replied

  
johnfolton 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5611 days)
Posts: 2024
Joined: 12-04-2005


Message 62 of 140 (379888)
01-25-2007 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Archer Opteryx
01-25-2007 4:20 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
How do you know that God has not lessened the force of some of these quakes, cyclones, in respect to Taiwan. When Katrina smashed into New Orleans (gay abominators fled) it turned and spared New Orleans the full wrath of Katrina.
If your Christian God is so eager to write a blank check to Israel on religious grounds, Taiwan should get by without even asking.
Israel was not given a blank check, its only since 1948 that they have been a nation in Israel. God gave his word to Sarahs seed its all about the mercy of God to the whole World.
If God judged Israel his own inheritance how can any nation expect a blank check in respect to Gods judgment including the USA and Taiwan.
Jesus said in respect to prayer to the Father to pray not to be led into temptation and pray to be delivered from evil. I'm sure you have prayer warriors in your country as in ours, but the word says the wicked will not be acqwitted.
Were moving forward in the last days hopefully you and yours will be raptured before the big earthquake bowls of wrath, in respect to Taiwan, Hawaii and all the islands fled away, etc... kjv rev 16:20
kjv nahum 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
kjv nahum 1:5 The mountains quake at him, and thee hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all tha tdwell therein.
kjv nahum 1:6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

ONESIMUS BY LANCE WEBB

This message is a reply to:
 Message 61 by Archer Opteryx, posted 01-25-2007 4:20 PM Archer Opteryx has not replied

  
iceage 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days)
Posts: 1024
From: Pacific Northwest
Joined: 09-08-2003


Message 63 of 140 (379893)
01-25-2007 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 10:36 AM


Gods fury and Earthquackes
Again you neglect to address why earthquakes occur in subduction zones and fault lines and NOT where the evil doers reside? (Taiwan being a notable exception being inhabited apparently by heathens).
This is very important point as we now know what causes earthquakes and it is not some guy in the sky pulling the earthquake lever every time his subjects are in need of a reminder who is boss.
Associating earthquakes with human political events is so bronze age please join us in the 21 century.
If God wanted to protect Israel i think he has more resources at hand than the favorable support of the US - dontcha think?
Now back to your misuse of the data....
charley writes:
We've had better equipment its not the early 1900's and yet you all say we can not take the evidence seriously.
Again the number and quality of equipment is the cause, the USGS spelled it out for you and you want to avoid it.
I live in an area relatively free from earthquakes. Several years ago an earthquake of 2.5 occurred several miles deep and several miles from my office. I never felt it. Thirty years ago this quake most likely would have gone unnoticed since there would have been no sensing equipment in the area. Our ability to detect earthquakes both remote and weak has increased several fold.
charley writes:
The timing of the California quake interestingly happened within 24 hours in respect to land for Peace.
The timing of the a lot things occur within 24 hours of a California quake. Why California? why not in Washington, why 24 hours - is God so limited in his responses?
charley writes:
Israel is Gods inheritance and its not negotiable, it brings on the wrath of God.
What a deluded notion. You worship a bronze age god. Why is your god so limited in his set of responses. This is the being that created immense scale of the universe and intricate complexity of the microcosm and all he can do is send indirect messages via shaking the earth - pretty small god i say.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 55 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 10:36 AM johnfolton has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 64 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 7:02 PM iceage has replied

  
johnfolton 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5611 days)
Posts: 2024
Joined: 12-04-2005


Message 64 of 140 (379898)
01-25-2007 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by iceage
01-25-2007 6:43 PM


Re: Gods fury and Earthquakes
If God wanted to protect Israel i think he has more resources at hand than the favorable support of the US - dontcha think?
kjv zechariah 14:1 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken
kjv zechariah 14:3 Then shall the Lord go forth and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
kjv zechariah 14: But it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem;
kjv zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 63 by iceage, posted 01-25-2007 6:43 PM iceage has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 65 by iceage, posted 01-25-2007 9:24 PM johnfolton has replied

  
iceage 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days)
Posts: 1024
From: Pacific Northwest
Joined: 09-08-2003


Message 65 of 140 (379952)
01-25-2007 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 7:02 PM


Re: Gods fury and Earthquackes
Still no comment on why earthquakes center around subduction zones and fault lines eh?
Is god not capable of making an earthquake anywhere he please or not?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 64 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 7:02 PM johnfolton has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 66 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 10:53 PM iceage has replied
 Message 67 by Vacate, posted 01-25-2007 11:21 PM iceage has replied

  
johnfolton 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5611 days)
Posts: 2024
Joined: 12-04-2005


Message 66 of 140 (379967)
01-25-2007 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by iceage
01-25-2007 9:24 PM


Re: Gods fury and Earthquakes
Still no comment on why earthquakes center around subduction zones and fault lines eh?
If you check the strongs concordance "divers places" can mean distribution or intensity along coastlines. So we have a confirmation of scripture near fault lines, subduction is an incorrect word choice for the trench areas.
There is no evidence the plates are presently subducting under the trenches which is why the area is so unstable. You might check out Walt Browns hydroplate theory for a better understanding whats happening under the trenches along the coastlines.
kjv Mark 13:8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom and there shall be earthquakes in divers places and there shall be famines and troubles; these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Is god not capable of making an earthquake anywhere he please or not?
I agree and he has and he will again (the big one) but the Word appears to be saying that they will primarily be intensified along the coastlines.
Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 65 by iceage, posted 01-25-2007 9:24 PM iceage has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 68 by iceage, posted 01-25-2007 11:47 PM johnfolton has replied
 Message 70 by Archer Opteryx, posted 01-26-2007 12:21 AM johnfolton has not replied

  
Vacate
Member (Idle past 4621 days)
Posts: 565
Joined: 10-01-2006


Message 67 of 140 (379971)
01-25-2007 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by iceage
01-25-2007 9:24 PM


Gods fault lines
From a quick scan of the map you have posted in post 46 it seems the areas seeing the least amount of earthquakes are Indigenous, Muslim, and Tao beliefs. (Hinduism gets off pretty light also) Christianity does get off ok in some areas of the world, but the Christian dominated US and Europe get a huge amount of Gods wrath. Buddhism however, in its various forms, seems to attract a lot of Gods attention. I cant figure this one out as I can't find any correlation to them persecuting anyone.
The largest area that looks to be completely free of earthquakes is Antarctica, this being an area with the highest percent of people who are not actively observing religion, but instead practicing science.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 65 by iceage, posted 01-25-2007 9:24 PM iceage has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 69 by iceage, posted 01-25-2007 11:52 PM Vacate has replied
 Message 72 by anglagard, posted 01-26-2007 3:52 AM Vacate has replied

  
iceage 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days)
Posts: 1024
From: Pacific Northwest
Joined: 09-08-2003


Message 68 of 140 (379975)
01-25-2007 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 10:53 PM


Re: Gods fury and Earthquakes
charley writes:
If you check the strongs concordance "divers places" can mean distribution or intensity along coastlines.
"divers places" Oh I get it. Places where divers go diving and such - divers places along coastlines.
Wow this throws some light on scripture such as
Mar 1:34 writes:
And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.
I always thought that meant diverse, but now I find out that it really means diver's disease such as decompression sickness.
charley writes:
There is no evidence the plates are presently subducting under the trenches
The west coasts of North and South America are a north-south subduction zone.
Plate Tectonics cause Earthquakes!!!!! Not because of a concentration of sinners or geopolitical events.
charely writes:
I agree but the Word appears to be saying that they will primarily be intensified along the coastlines.
No it does not. As is usually the case the literalist are not literal.
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 66 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 10:53 PM johnfolton has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 78 by johnfolton, posted 01-26-2007 6:33 AM iceage has not replied

  
iceage 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days)
Posts: 1024
From: Pacific Northwest
Joined: 09-08-2003


Message 69 of 140 (379977)
01-25-2007 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Vacate
01-25-2007 11:21 PM


Re: Gods fault lines
Well look at Russia... the godless communist are almost free of earthquakes - maybe they don't have "divers places"

This message is a reply to:
 Message 67 by Vacate, posted 01-25-2007 11:21 PM Vacate has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 71 by Vacate, posted 01-26-2007 2:39 AM iceage has not replied
 Message 77 by johnfolton, posted 01-26-2007 6:24 AM iceage has not replied

  
Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3618 days)
Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 70 of 140 (379980)
01-26-2007 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 10:53 PM


divers faces
If you check the strongs concordance "divers places" can mean distribution or intensity along coastlines.



Thanks, Charley. Made my day.
____
Edited by Archer Opterix, : title.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 66 by johnfolton, posted 01-25-2007 10:53 PM johnfolton has not replied

  
Vacate
Member (Idle past 4621 days)
Posts: 565
Joined: 10-01-2006


Message 71 of 140 (380008)
01-26-2007 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by iceage
01-25-2007 11:52 PM


Re: Gods fault lines
I was thinking of the Siberian Indigenous religion(s), how silly of me to ignore the communists. Shamanism, from the little I know of it, seems well protected in Charley's views.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 69 by iceage, posted 01-25-2007 11:52 PM iceage has not replied

  
anglagard
Member (Idle past 857 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 72 of 140 (380011)
01-26-2007 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Vacate
01-25-2007 11:21 PM


Re: Gods fault lines
Vacate writes:
The largest area that looks to be completely free of earthquakes is Antarctica, this being an area with the highest percent of people who are not actively observing religion, but instead practicing science.
Maybe those seismic stations have a hard time recording under 2 miles of ice.
That still does not explain most of Canada and West Africa, which has lots of coast. I also notice Brazil is pretty earthquake free as well despite all that coast.
Perhaps the correlation is more about a casual attitute toward sex. Get out that thong bikini and get right with the Lord.
Canada? There must be more going on there during those long winters than we have been led to believe.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 67 by Vacate, posted 01-25-2007 11:21 PM Vacate has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 73 by DrJones*, posted 01-26-2007 4:04 AM anglagard has not replied
 Message 74 by Vacate, posted 01-26-2007 4:28 AM anglagard has not replied

  
DrJones*
Member
Posts: 2285
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Joined: 08-19-2004
Member Rating: 7.2


Message 73 of 140 (380013)
01-26-2007 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by anglagard
01-26-2007 3:52 AM


Re: Gods fault lines
That still does not explain most of Canada
God's sparing us the earthquakes cause we legalized same-sex marriage. God loves the legal man-on-man action.

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

This message is a reply to:
 Message 72 by anglagard, posted 01-26-2007 3:52 AM anglagard has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 76 by johnfolton, posted 01-26-2007 6:15 AM DrJones* has replied

  
Vacate
Member (Idle past 4621 days)
Posts: 565
Joined: 10-01-2006


Message 74 of 140 (380015)
01-26-2007 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by anglagard
01-26-2007 3:52 AM


Re: Gods fault lines
That still does not explain most of Canada and West Africa, which has lots of coast. I also notice Brazil is pretty earthquake free
I never said it was a good theory.
The Anglagard Thong Hypothesis has some merrit, what do those scientists do in the long winters down south?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 72 by anglagard, posted 01-26-2007 3:52 AM anglagard has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 75 by iceage, posted 01-26-2007 4:45 AM Vacate has not replied

  
iceage 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days)
Posts: 1024
From: Pacific Northwest
Joined: 09-08-2003


Message 75 of 140 (380018)
01-26-2007 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Vacate
01-26-2007 4:28 AM


Re: Gods fault lines
However note that quakes occur on the moon (moonquakes?). A couple of theories
  • The astronauts were sinners.
  • The moon is god's proving ground for new earthquake designs.

  • This message is a reply to:
     Message 74 by Vacate, posted 01-26-2007 4:28 AM Vacate has not replied

      
    Newer Topic | Older Topic
    Jump to:


    Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

    ™ Version 4.2
    Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024