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Message 135 of 297 (417705)
08-23-2007 9:34 PM

Reply to: Message 134 by Rob
08-23-2007 9:10 PM

Re: Chain of reasoning

Rob writes:

Can you provide an example of an evolutionary fact, that falls into this catagory of testable?

How about the inheritance of characteristics?

Or the occurrence of mutations?

Abe: Oh, and fewer faster rabbits get caught.

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Message 139 of 297 (417714)
08-23-2007 9:53 PM

Reply to: Message 136 by Rob
08-23-2007 9:35 PM

Re: Yet more misrepresentation.

Folks who have valid points to make don't change the subject.

Don't Gish Gallop off into the sunset.

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Message 140 of 297 (417715)
08-23-2007 9:55 PM

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08-23-2007 9:50 PM

Re: Chain of reasoning

Ducking and weaving, again: the inheritance of characteristics, mutations, and natural selection are evolutionary facts.

You asked for some. You got some.

Admit they are facts, and then we can discuss another subject.

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Message 142 of 297 (417718)
08-23-2007 10:02 PM

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08-23-2007 9:50 PM

Re: Chain of reasoning

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Adaptation to a dying environment and ecosystem? That proves devolution, not evolution.

Devolution? No such critter. Organisms adapt to a changed environment.

Nonetheless, while you're at it, could you list some devolutionary facts?

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Message 146 of 297 (417722)
08-23-2007 10:10 PM

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08-23-2007 10:05 PM

Re: Chain of reasoning

Rob writes:

Good science shows... that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is also a fact. And one of the most basic in all science. There is a need for a cell to convert raw energy into usable biological energy and that creates an insurmountable obstacle. We must assume the existence of the very systems of energy translation, as a means of constructing the system. The second law is an obstacle that runs counter to evolutionary theory entirely, but is matched by the creator solution at the philosophical level.

The universe was created whole and good, and is now in the process of entropy.

That's really tired. I see that you do not understand the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The universe is just chock full of local areas of both increasing entropy and decreasing entropy.

Further, you again assume that evolution requires a progression to greater organization/complexity. That is not so: evolution merely describes the process by which generations of organisms over time adapt to a changing environment.

More complex is not better; simpler is not bad.

To live and reproduce is good.

Questions?

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Message 151 of 297 (417728)
08-23-2007 10:17 PM

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08-23-2007 10:13 PM

Re: Chain of reasoning

Rob writes:

Thank you. A dying environment where the complex and simple alike lived together as a whole and complete family.

Well, that is not a devolutionary fact: as a sentence fragment, it is not even an assertion.

Try again.

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Message 152 of 297 (417729)
08-23-2007 10:21 PM

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08-23-2007 10:15 PM

Re: Chain of reasoning

Rob writes:

Omnivorous:

That's really tired. I see that you do not understand the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Oh but I do Omnivorous... Thermodynamic Arguments for Creation

Near the end, is the information on raw energy and snowflakes etc...

Links to other people who do not understand the 2nd law of thermodynamics will not demonstrate that you do.

I didn't go there: Why should I? What would be the point? I assert your prior post demonstrates your lack of understanding. How could a web site link be at all relevant?

Get to the meat and stop waffling--do you deny there are local areas of both increasing and decreasing entropy in the universe?

Hint: saying yes demonstrates your lack of understanding.

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