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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Also, at least according to the Bible, God is quite often unsure of what is right or wrong and just like us, God struggles over morality and changes his position.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Jon writes: and there seems to be no reason God should keep His promises. Except that that makes god a liar.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Apparently you're not aware of the Clean Slate Defense? That would certainly apply if those "past discussions" were in another thead. And since I have a short attention span, I feel free to invoke it at will.
I can point to past discussion involving exactly those examples. NoNukes writes:
That would be the Watering The Soup Defense - the soup may be thinned to cover more territory but all of the ingredients are still there.
The real disagreement I have is with the idea that we can use the term 'Father' to make up obligations for God that we have no evidence or scripture indicating that God has agreed to.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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ringo writes: That would be the Watering The Soup Defense - the soup may be thinned to cover more territory but all of the ingredients are still there. Or the "loaves and fishes defense" I imagine.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Apparently you're not aware of the Clean Slate Defense? If people want to back out of earlier positions all they have to do is say so. I don't even mind if people change positions in the same thread.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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I don't even mind if people change positions in the same thread. I dunno, man, lately you've really been coming off as a bulldog of a nitpicky pedant.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I dunno, man, lately you've really been coming off as a bulldog of a nitpicky pedant. You want some bro?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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You want some bro? Some more? No thanks, I've had enough already.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
I don't look at it as "backing out" of a position. Arguing a position is not the same as taking a position.
If people want to back out of earlier positions all they have to do is say so.
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Arguing a position is not the same as taking a position. No, not here it isn't. Apparently.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
ringo writes:
No, not here it isn't. Apparently. Arguing a position is not the same as taking a position.quote:
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Mmhmm...
quote: quote: quote: Day in. Day out.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Some can argue both sides of a debate; some have to believe what they debate; some can't argue either side effectively.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I'm going to bump this topic up just for the heck of it. I wont be commenting or adding anything to what my 2007 self had to say...its odd that I say much the same things now as I did back then. If anybody else cares about this topic, feel free to resurrect it. If not, oh well. Im reading a book.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Im still studying the idea of whether prayer and fasting are beneficial to being a better Christian. My gut instinct tells me that they are. Jesus seems to agree with Ringo, not you. Life requires real food, real shelter, real clothing, real health care, real protection not imagined platitudes. These old topics are fun to review, however. I believe that I am evolving slowly. Or at the very least experiencing recreation!
ringo writes: How would He "be a savior"? And why would He have to come to earth to do it? Why couldn't He poof us "saved" from heaven? Phat writes: To be an example, maybe? Jesus fasted and prayed often. So why do we think we can turn off the NFL game, grab a bag of chips and a hot dog, then run out the door to go volunteer at the shelter for an hour before picking up the kids from soccer...and think that we are doing like Jesus taught? Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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