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kuresu
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Message 76 of 1864 (390317)
03-19-2007 8:00 PM
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03-19-2007 3:11 PM


EvC Chat (off-topic, i know, i know)
totally off-topic, but the right thread seems to be ineffective.
can you chat for a short while right now?
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 77 of 1864 (390326)
03-19-2007 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Phat
03-17-2007 9:37 PM


Hwilum Word Be Worde, Hwilum Andgit Of Andgiete
No...its that people don't acknowledge her.....(and I still don't know why you say "she" since Jesus is male)
Jesus of course was male, but in some languages the Holy Spirit is female. And in Old English (Anglo-Saxon) God and the devil are both neuter.
In Hebrew, as in French, everything has to be masculine or feminine by gramatical gender. Neuter is not an option.

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Phat
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Message 78 of 1864 (703451)
07-22-2013 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by jar
03-18-2007 11:52 AM


Re: Not henotheism
jar writes:
Is that correct?
Have you thought that through?
Do you understand the implications of that?
Here it is took me 6 years to answer you!
I agree with your assessment that God does not pick and choose among people...but He allows for us to freely and logically find our path. For some, it may not include belief. In this instance, I agree with you that we are judged in part by what we do versus what we believe, but I would add that what we believe may influence what we do and how we do it.

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jar
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Message 79 of 1864 (703454)
07-22-2013 8:53 AM
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07-22-2013 8:36 AM


Re: Not henotheism
How can there be any justification for judging anyone on what they believe?
I agree that what we believe influences what we do, and I believe that is one of the worst things about Christianity as marketed in the US. The "Saved" and "Forgiven" and "Christ died to pay for my sins" marketing spiels are vile and evil.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Phat
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Message 80 of 1864 (735403)
08-13-2014 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by ringo
03-17-2007 12:29 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
ringo writes:
If God is all-powerful, how can the Tempter, the Prosecuter, etc. not be a part of Him?
Because that would make God Schizophrenic.

...."When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less."

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ringo
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Message 81 of 1864 (735446)
08-15-2014 11:40 AM
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08-13-2014 6:31 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
If God is all-powerful, how can the Tempter, the Prosecuter, etc. not be a part of Him?
Because that would make God Schizophrenic.
And?
What you're saying is the equivalent of, "Jeffrey Dahmer could not have eaten his victims because that would make him a cannibal."

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Message 82 of 1864 (735447)
08-15-2014 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Phat
08-13-2014 6:31 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
Because that would make God Schizophrenic.
Ahem:
quote:
Gen 1:26
Then God said, Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness....
...
quote:
Gen 3:22
And the Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil...

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Phat
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Message 83 of 1864 (735456)
08-15-2014 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by ringo
08-15-2014 11:40 AM


Re: Re-Trinity
The dogma that I ascribe to shows the tempter, satan, as a created being. There is only One Creator. Granted you can argue that He plays all of the roles, but it makes more sense for Him to be good, rather than complete. Jeffrey Dahmer is a human with a mental disorder, not a Creator of all seen and unseen.
I suppose you could argue that God is like Seth MacFarlane and plays multiple roles---but that makes no sense to me.

...."When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less."

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jar
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Message 84 of 1864 (735457)
08-15-2014 4:55 PM
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08-15-2014 4:43 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
But what does the Bible say?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Tangle
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Message 85 of 1864 (735458)
08-15-2014 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
08-15-2014 4:43 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
Phat, you could argue whatever the hell you like, but it's just waffling about nonsense - you know, the 'how many angels can fit on a pinhead' stuff. Why is what you are saying any different?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
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Message 86 of 1864 (735472)
08-16-2014 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
08-15-2014 4:43 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
Phat writes:
Granted you can argue that He plays all of the roles, but it makes more sense for Him to be good, rather than complete.
I was refering to your logic. You said that being complete would make God schizophrenic. I say if He is He is.
You seem to be squeamish about the reality of your God. He "must" be good; He "can't" be evil or have anything to do with evil. Yet He's supposedly the Creator of "all seen and unseen".
By your math, evil isn't part of "all seen and unseen". Huh?

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Omnivorous
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Message 87 of 1864 (735478)
08-16-2014 2:10 PM
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08-13-2014 6:31 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
Phat writes:
Because that would make God Schizophrenic.
Just a technical note: schizophrenia is unrelated to "split personality" or multiple personality/dissociative disorders. The term describes a person whose brain precludes a coherent, functional mind and personality.
The fracture--the "schizo"--applies to the individual schizophrenic's loss of coherent apprehension and thought: a broken mind, not a mind divided into multiple sub-minds.
Wiki:
quote:
Despite the origin of the term from the Greek roots skhizein ("to split") and phrēn ("mind"), schizophrenia does not imply a "split personality", or "multiple personality disorder"a condition with which it is often confused in public perception.[1] Rather, the term means a "splitting of mental functions", reflecting the presentation of the illness.
Misdiagnosing your gods could be...bad.
In addition, as I recall from Job's lament and the endorsement of the Whirlwind, Yahweh cares little about making sense to people.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Phat
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Message 88 of 1864 (735530)
08-17-2014 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by ringo
08-16-2014 11:47 AM


Re: Re-Trinity
You seem to be mixing up what it is that a Creator creates versus what a Creator is. An artist can paint a picture of many zoo animals but that does not make the artist a zebra.
God may well have created evil(more likely the possibility of evil) but that does not make God defacto evil. Get my point?

...."When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less."

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Jon
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Message 89 of 1864 (735532)
08-17-2014 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Tangle
08-15-2014 4:58 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
This is the Faith and Belief forum.
If you find discussions like this to be "just waffling about nonsense", then perhaps you've found yourself in the wrong place.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 90 of 1864 (735533)
08-17-2014 12:13 PM
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08-17-2014 8:57 AM


Re: Re-Trinity
God may well have created evil(more likely the possibility of evil) but that does not make God defacto evil. Get my point?
Imagine an architect who designs a building to fall down (or more likely having the possibility of falling down). Is this architect evil? He knows his building will either certainly fall or that it is very likely it will; many people will die; he does not care and has the building build anyway.
Isn't he evil?

Love your enemies!

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