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Author Topic:   Heretics - Reverend Carlton Pearson
attssyf
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Message 46 of 50 (367849)
12-05-2006 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by anastasia
12-05-2006 3:06 PM


Re: Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair
the unanimous findings of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, is a Biblical God who is omnipotent.
That's a little unfair. Christianity is a modification of Judaism. Jesus was a Jew, and preached about the Jewish God. Islam is also an Abrahamic* religion, and Allah is ultimately a variant of Yahweh. It's not particularly significant that all three religions, being family members, share family likenesses.
In my observance, no social pressure has ever caused someone to reject their own scanty Biblical 'evidence' and amateur theology, or stopped them from creating/promoting heresy, schism, cults, sects, denominations, and variations within denominations.
Does that opinion extend to history? Do you think no-one ever expressed a different opinion because of the threat of violence or ostracism? Excommunication, inquisition, heretic burning, Christian-vs-Christian violence in Northern Island, Christian-vs-Islam violence in Pakistan, and Islam-vs-Islam violence in Iraq are extreme versions of exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about, the kind of behavior that, at it's extreme ends, says "Believe what we believe or we'll set you on fire."
I certainly have not felt any pressure to believe that God is less-than-divine, nor can I imagine that the idea could be attractive to many. If it were, I am sure it would have sprung up somewhere along the line
It has sprung up, in various Christologies suggesting that Jesus was less than divine; they were very popular in the early church, and supported by some of the early emperors. However, they were condemned by orthodox bishops. The Bogomils were another Christian sect who saw Jesus as less than divine, and were punished for it.
But which came first? Are churches affecting the theology, or is the theology held by a people, the church?
How about this? A church is a group of people who celebrate in roughly the same way; a common liturgy and other practices. Theology is the underlying beliefs which give meaning to the liturgy. As an example, a theology that says that Jesus is the passover lamb underlies the ritual of communion, which is a symbolic passover meal.
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* Abrahamic religions - Wikipedia

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anastasia
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Message 47 of 50 (367860)
12-05-2006 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by attssyf
12-05-2006 7:12 PM


Re: Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair
attssyf writes:
It has sprung up, in various Christologies suggesting that Jesus was less than divine; they were very popular in the early church, and supported by some of the early emperors. However, they were condemned by orthodox bishops. The Bogomils were another Christian sect who saw Jesus as less than divine, and were punished for it.
There have been plenty of sects that believed and still believe Jesus was less than divine, or not divine at all, including Nestorianism and Jehova's Witnesses. There are none that I know of who think of the Abrahamic God as semi-potent.

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attssyf
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Message 48 of 50 (367894)
12-06-2006 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by anastasia
12-05-2006 8:26 PM


Re: Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair
There are none that I know of who think of the Abrahamic God as semi-potent.
Probably not any more, no.
Early Judaism does suggest it, telling stories about a God who is fallible, ignorant, regretful, and jealous. (See my post #25 for examples) Later Judaism has God as more powerful. This is the kind of trend I'm talking about, the ratchet effect that means that there is no ebb and flow, just a continuing increase.

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Message 49 of 50 (367993)
12-06-2006 2:33 PM


Steering back towards the topic---
which is the Reverend Carlton Pearson, who was branded a modern heretic for embracing the Gospel Of Inclusion.
Other famous Christian leaders have embraced the Gospel of Inclusion,
including world renowned Billy Graham
USATODAY writes:
The Christian world today is full of niches ” from the vaguest spiritual seekers to the most doctrinally rigid conservatives who decry the ecumenical movement and see tolerance as moral relativism. Words like pluralism and inclusivity, which Graham considers positive, have taken on negative connotations, as if they meant all paths to God were equally valid...."The Lord said, 'I will never forsake you.' No matter how sinful we are, how bad we are, God loves us. At least from my point of view, I believe he sent his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for us because he loves us and he doesn't have any termination to that love."
Edited by Phat, : added Graham quote

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anastasia
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Message 50 of 50 (368070)
12-06-2006 8:32 PM
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12-06-2006 2:33 PM


Re: Steering back towards the topic---
Can a Southern Baptist really embrace the Gospel of Inclusion? At least in the way Pearson defines it? Baptists believe that baptism is the turning point at which man begins to be 'saved'. Billy Graham himself is a believer in infant baptism, a practice which in the Catholic church stems from the concept that men are born with the original sin of Adam. Since he is not Catholic, I am not sure what his reasons for baptizing his children in infancy are. In any case, baptizing someone into communion with Jesus is an action which shows we do not believe we are already saved. Can anyone help to define these sometimes overlapping terms?
Does this gospel of inclusion effect Luther's 'Justification by faith alone' doctrine? Does it imply justification by nothing, on our part?

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