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Topic: Which came first: the young earth, or the inerrant scripture?
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 18 of 161 (236866)
08-25-2005 2:36 PM
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For me, it happened during my senior year in highschool and 1st year of college. I grew up reading Evolution in text books just like everybody else. I never really questioned it even though I was a christian from 8 years old. It was presented as fact, so that is what I took it as. My senior year is when I started REALLY questioning. Not just evolution, but everything. Christianity? Was God real? How do I really know if He is or not? What makes the christian God real and other gods fakes? Maybe ther religions have it right? Was the earth really that old? Did we evolve from rocks? What really drove me from evolution was college, when my Bio 101 class went through the early stages of evolution (when life started from nothing and how it evolved into more complex life). My teacher was very good. He stated, "We think this is how A and B happened...and from C to F, we have no idea how that could have happened. There is a gap, but we think from F to G..." That's what got me heading to library.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: Believe Scripture First; Young Earth Follows
I beleive in the Law of universal gravitation That analogy doesn't work. Never has.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: Believe Scripture First; Young Earth Follows
You do realize that it's still only a theory, right? Funny, it is defines as a law in the dictionary. The bottom line is, the theory of evolution will remain a theory until empircal data is obtained that proves that dogs can produce non-dogs and/or dogs came from rocks 4.6 billion years ago.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Considering that my field is physics, it should be a breeze for you for a 1 on 1 debate between us on the lack of evidence for the theory of evolution. Always love to see the evidence! Show me where there is empirical data that a dog can produce a non-dog and/or a dog came from a rock 4.6 billion years ago. Go!
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 25 of 161 (236905)
08-25-2005 3:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Rahvin
08-25-2005 3:13 PM
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Re: Believe Scripture First; Young Earth Follows
Theories include the Theory of Gravity Law of universal gravitation When you produce evidence that a dog can produce a non-dog or that a dog came from a rock 4.6 billion years ago, I'll believe your theory.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 63 of 161 (237328)
08-26-2005 1:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 34 by jar
08-25-2005 4:39 PM
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Re: Tal strikes out again.
Please point out where the TOE predicts that a dog will produce a non-dog or that a dog came from a rock?
I've posted this twice already, but I'll do it again.
link A group of organisms is said to have common descent if they have a common ancestor. In biology, the theory of universal common descent proposes that all organisms on Earth are descended from a common ancestor or ancestral gene pool. In addition, abiogenesis the generation of life from non-living matter has never been observed, indicating that the origin of life from non-life is either extremely rare or only happens under conditions very unlike those of modern Earth. The 1953 Miller-Urey experiment suggests that conditions on the ancient earth may have permitted abiogenesis. Since abiogenesis is rare or impossible under modern conditions and the evolutionary process is exceedingly slow, the diversity and complexity of modern life requires that the Earth be very old, on the order of billions of years. This is compatible with geological evidence that the Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old. Evolution's basic claim is that life formed from randomly from atmospheric conditions and has slowly turned from one species to another, getting more complex all the time until we ended up with what we have today. What doesn't wash with me is that we don't see species producing (or evolving) into other types of species today. They all fit nice and neat into their family, genus, kingdom etc. And you can't use the argument (well it takes a really long time so we can't observe it taking place) because science IS observation. The other big thing that doesn't wash is that life formed from random events. It is simply too complex.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 64 of 161 (237330)
08-26-2005 1:15 PM
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And all you people who are simply mocking me are just doing so because you can't answer the issues. So you stoop to 4 year old banter to try to hurt my feelings. Big of you. Keep in mind this thread was started because holmes wanted to know how specific christains came to not believe in evolution. This is a totally based on each individuals experiences and I was just relating how I came to that conclusion. Then your ignorant flames start.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 68 of 161 (237370)
08-26-2005 1:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 66 by jar
08-26-2005 1:51 PM
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Re: Tal strikes out again. (the Sequel)
Once again, (and you've been told this before) the TOE has nothing to do with Abiogensis.
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Even your very own sources refute what you say.
Use my source and point that out please. Then tell me how you think life started according to TOE.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 71 of 161 (237386)
08-26-2005 2:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by Nuggin
08-26-2005 2:03 PM
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Re: Tal strikes out again. (the Sequel)
Re: Tal strikes out again. (the Sequel) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then tell me how you think life started according to TOE. I love this! It's so precious. "I don't believe in your chemical beginnings of life. There's no rational basis for it. Instead, I believe it was started by magic."
That is exactly how evolutionists think it started.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: Tal strikes out again. (the Sequel)
TOE has no opinion on how life started. It is not interested in how life started, only in how it evolved after it did start.
Not according to Wikipedia
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 75 of 161 (237390)
08-26-2005 2:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 72 by jar
08-26-2005 2:26 PM
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Re: Tal strikes out again. (the Sequel) Part Deux
[qs]Contents [hide]
1 Scientific theory 1.1 Ancestry of organisms 1.1.1 Evidence of evolution 1.1.1.1 Morphological evidence 1.1.1.2 Genetic sequence evidence 1.1.2 Origin of life 1.1.3 History of life
[/qs] It is listed as a sub-topic.
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