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Author Topic:   What is the Meaning of John 3:16?
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Message 91 of 156 (382133)
02-03-2007 12:50 PM
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02-03-2007 12:02 AM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
I have already been chastised for going off topic. They may do it again so lets go back to John.

The whole of john seems insecure. It says may, and might, words I use when I am not sure of a statement. It shows uncertainty in the events to come.
Should we have faith in phrases where the writer is not confident.

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Message 92 of 156 (382142)
02-03-2007 1:22 PM
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02-03-2007 12:50 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
The whole of john seems insecure. It says may, and might, words I use when I am not sure of a statement.

I couldn't find inappropriate uses of may or might, etc...Perhaps the bible version your using is not the authorized king james version.


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Message 93 of 156 (382160)
02-03-2007 2:34 PM
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02-03-2007 1:22 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
"That whosoever believeth in him should not perish".
"Should" leaves the room for doubt in the statement.
A word like will would indicate certainty.
I recognize that this is nit picking but from my point of view that states that we all go to Heaven, and that this view places doubt on the whole of John because my God is a God of inclusion not exclusion witch to me is a sign of a true God.

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Message 94 of 156 (382164)
02-03-2007 2:46 PM
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02-03-2007 2:34 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
GreatestIam writes:

A word like will would indicate certainty.

Nevermind that. Not important. What is important is what happens to those who do not believe, and why John would even worry about heaven at all if we all wre going there. If we are all going, what does he need to preach about belief for?

In fact, what do you need to preach for?
We are all going to heaven, we are all perfect, we are all right. Go have some fun with your life. You do not believe in the Bible, so why worry about what it says? I am not being offensive, but if you think it is all wrong, that we are all going to heaven, you should be having just as much fun reading any other human book about God.


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Message 95 of 156 (382167)
02-03-2007 3:36 PM
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02-03-2007 2:46 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
anastasia writes:

What is important is what happens to those who do not believe, and why John would even worry about heaven at all if we all wre going there.

Can you say, "Empty threat"? :)

Some people respond to the stick more than the carrot. The fact that the stick is there doesn't mean it ever has to be used.

... you should be having just as much fun reading any other human book about God.

I like Ray Bradbury's Dandelion Wine too. :)


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Message 96 of 156 (382184)
02-03-2007 5:59 PM
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02-03-2007 3:36 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
Oh shoot. Totally forgot. There is more than one advocate here for the water-and-moonstone Gospel of Inclusion.

Ringo writes:

Some people respond to the stick more than the carrot.

We are perfect, going along just fine. No need for stick, carrot, or evangelist.


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Message 97 of 156 (382197)
02-03-2007 6:43 PM
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02-03-2007 5:59 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
If life is to be good, mankind needs purpose.
Our purpose is dependent on our environment. We as humans have no way to see the total impact on our environment that our actions cause. Even as I write these word, I have no real knowledge as to what impact I have, if any, on those who read.
One thing we know we must all do is learn of the tree of good and evil. We cannot defer this duty. We are perfectly suited to learn these lessons.
We are all destine for Heaven. This does not mean we have a free ride. If we do not seek wisdom on our own we can rest assured that God will find a way to teach us in His own way.

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Message 98 of 156 (382205)
02-03-2007 7:23 PM
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02-03-2007 5:59 PM


anastasia writes:

... the water-and-moonstone Gospel of Inclusion.

Don't know what that means.

We are perfect, going along just fine. No need for stick, carrot, or evangelist.

Did you forget your smilie?

If not, I agree with you, but the writers of the Bible might not have.


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Message 99 of 156 (382249)
02-03-2007 10:14 PM
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02-03-2007 7:23 PM


Ringo writes:

Did you forget your smilie?

Yes. I needed it to explain 'water and moonstone' which was just a joke about 'fire and brimstone'.

If not, I agree with you, but the writers of the Bible might not have.

I see that GIA would rather trash the whole Bible than give up his position. This is his choice, but he must at the same time relinquish his desire to prove his case using only Genesis. Very humorous; those who believe the Bible to be true, are most often given to calling Genesis myth. Those who disregard the rest of it, would take Genesis literally.


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Message 100 of 156 (382265)
02-03-2007 11:03 PM
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02-03-2007 10:14 PM


anastasia writes:

Did you forget your smilie?

Yes. I needed it to explain 'water and moonstone' which was just a joke about 'fire and brimstone'.

Ah. I probably wouldn't have gotten it anyway. My sense of humour isn't very subtle. :D


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Message 101 of 156 (440644)
12-13-2007 11:17 PM
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03-15-2005 9:14 AM


John 3 in context
Jar writes:

Would it help to step through John 3 from the beginning?

This is a good topic to raise from the dead! :p

Does anyone have any fresh insights?


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Message 102 of 156 (486171)
10-16-2008 4:50 PM
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03-14-2005 6:10 AM


Parable of the Road and of the Trail
hello Phat,

wrote: 'Lets discuss the meaning and misinterpretations'

the truth of the Hebrew manuscripts of new testament can be seen as having nothing to do with the versions that had been made under the spiritual ministry of the Roman doctrine fides quae creditur,

'How can these things be?' asked Nicodemus.

You are a Judge in Yizrael and don't know these things? -- YHWH’ÓSHUAH replied.

I assure you, by the principles of the Law of the Testimony
one speaks what one knows and testifies to what one has seen and heard,
but you, being a Judge, does not work up a belief on one’s testimony.

If I tell you about things that happen on earth
and you, being a Judge, does not work up a belief on it,
then does the *Torah not require much less belief if I tell you about things of heaven?

* --If the Law of the Testimony--the ToRaH and of the Justice courts of this world do have the directive of not applying belief to the things that happen on earth, then much less do the listeners of the ToRaH have to work up a belief on the things that are of highest value.

Also these parables had been obscured in the translations as having been re-edited and translated under the spiritual ordinances of the Roman doctrine fides quae creditur, so that the ones who love religion and belief-system might have a suppposed light of belief for one to work up or give spiritual credit.

Restored Field

Parable of the Road –– The light is with you in a brief time. Walk on the road in the time you have the light so that darkness doesn't overtake you. The one who walks in the obscurity credits a light, believing there is a road, but doesn't know where he's going. In the time that you have the light, see the road in the light so that you may become first-fruits of light.

Brief time: Immediate time; A type of time that is abbreviated. A time of access in a brief or immediate sequence; mediated.

...believing there is a road –– Synonym: Not seeing the road.

In the Light you’ll find the road. Yhwh—I AM is the Light. In the eternal covenant says: To the Law of the Testimony and if they do not speak according to that instruction there will be no white light for them.

B in Basic English –– ...one walking in the dark has no knowledge of where he is going.

obscurae quae creditur –– ...walks in darkness [in lack of belief] knows not where he goes.

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Parable of the Trail –– Is there not a half day of daylight? A man may go about a half day without falling because he sees the trail in the light. But if a man goes about in the obscure, believing there is a trail, he may have a fall because the daylight does not depend on his will of believing.

Half day: Immediate time; A type of time that is a dividing of time. A time of access that is mediated.

...believing there is a trail –– Synonym: Not seeing the trail.

The daylight does not emerge according to spirit of man’s will of crediting or believing one thing or another.

B in Basic English –– ...he may have a fall because the light is not in him.

obscurae quae creditur –– ...because there is no light [of belief] in him.

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Message 103 of 156 (487683)
11-03-2008 10:19 AM
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The answer lies in whether or not God favors the creation of chimeras.

This would determine if a higher species like God should, or could, use humans to reproduce.

Biblical history shows God created us and then let sons of God access our women to produce chimers that God then drowns as useless humans. Genocide against chimeras that He allowed is a good indicator that God does not believe in chimeras.

Is it logical then to think that He in all His glory would turn around and use another’s woman to reproduce a chimera. Please say no.

Jesus was a good, perhaps great prophet and Rabbi. That is all.

To call Jesus a chimera or Man/God hybrid is to insult both God and Jesus.

Are you one who insults Jesus and God?

Regards
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Message 104 of 156 (487800)
11-05-2008 7:54 AM
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11-03-2008 10:19 AM


Sometimes I wonder
Honestly, sometimes I wonder where you come up with this stuff! :rolleyes:

Yes, Jesus was very much human. Was He exactly like you or I, however?


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Message 105 of 156 (487819)
11-05-2008 11:29 AM
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02-03-2007 10:14 PM


If you cannot read chapter one properly then how can you be expected to know how to read the rest.

All Bibles have value but they must be read the right way.

No talking snakes please. They lead to fundamentals.

Not a good thing.

Regards
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