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Author Topic:   What is a True Christian?
RAZD
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Message 212 of 329 (173142)
01-02-2005 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Phat
01-02-2005 5:23 PM


Re: What is actually necessary to be a Christian
I believe that it is impossible for someone to love totally and NOT be a Christian. Even that Buddhist! He will have to meet Jesus and will accept Him, in all probability!
why? would not jesus also have to meet gautama buddha and accept him? or mithra -- another predecessor of christianity that has the same MO?
this is a very narrow opinion based on no evidence and is just an article of faith.

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RAZD
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Message 213 of 329 (173143)
01-02-2005 7:00 PM


For TheLiteralist ... your question. expanded?
From http://EvC Forum: Rate of Genetic Change -->EvC Forum: Rate of Genetic Change
TheLiteralist writes:
This brings up an off-topic issue, "What makes a person or an organization Christian besides the person or organization making such a claim?"
I think that would be a particularly interesting topic as regards the Vatican, Nazis, KKK, etc.
I also have trouble with this whenever someone says that the USof(N)A is a christian nation founded by christians ...
as this is usually put forward by a born-again christian as a way of saying that it is their heritage, and yet at the time of the founding of this country the born-again movement was not in existence.
and then I get more confused when they say other people are NOT christians because of X, Y or Z (and those founding fathers that were christian qualify for the X, Y or Z as well) ...
it's a mess, imho, to assign belief to others, for at a very fundamental level there is no one religion, as each person will have a slightly different concept of their faith than everyone else.
enough for now.

  
RAZD
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Message 223 of 329 (173360)
01-03-2005 8:59 AM


take it here from "evolutionary advantage" thread
this is the topic to post those arguments on.

  
RAZD
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Message 227 of 329 (173387)
01-03-2005 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by TheLiteralist
01-03-2005 9:20 AM


Re: A definition of sorts?
I would change
Will believe that the Bible (both testaments) is infallible
to
Will believe that the bible is a moral guide.
I don't think you can legitimately exclude people that view many aspects of the bible as allegorical from being christian.
and I have to ask why "especially the Ten Commandments" -- why single that out? I find it wanting in many aspects of moral behavior for today's needs: it doesn't discuss child molestation and it promulgates a sexist mysoginistic view of women as property (... and coming after other property too).
I would think that a Christian would find the words of Jesus to be the most important in the bible, period, but that is my (non-christian) view.
enjoy.
added by edit:
I think one of the problems is that you need two levels of definition, one that applies to all the various sects and cults of christianity, and then a modified version to apply to more specific beliefs.
thus fundamentalist christian is more descriptive than christian (regardless of any negative overtones due to the past behavior of known fundamentalists?)
likewise baptist versus catholic.
that's my
worth
This message has been edited by RAZD, 01-03-2005 10:09 AM

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