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jar
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Message 106 of 194 (385413)
02-15-2007 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by bluegenes
02-15-2007 1:42 PM


Re: Gopherwood Forests
Everything you need to know about Gopher Wood can be found in the link below. It finishes with the priceless conclusion:
I don't understand why you continue to post links that just support the Flood.
Of course no one knows what Gopherwood is today. That FACT is one of the clearest indications of the TRUTH of Noah's Flood.
When Moshe wrote down the account of Noah's Flood, folk still remembered the great Gopherwood Forests and so the phrase carried as much meaning as when today we speak of a Pine Forest or Oak Forest.
However all the mature trees were harvested to build the Ark, and not one seedling survived, which makes sense since God said he would never again Flood the Earth, and so another Ark would be unnecessary.
But is was the special growth properties of Gopherwood that made it ideal. It was a tall majestic tree, and the first branches were often over 150 meters above the ground. Since the trunk, instead of being the more common round shape, grew more like a flat sided oval (think of a racetrack) it was perfect for major construction projects. Often the Gopherwood tree trunk might be only a few inches thick in one dimension by several feet in the other.
The proof of this is again found in the Ark. Noah, his family and neighbors built the Ark using only stone tools. If the had had to fell tree, then shape those trees into planks, do you think they could have built something the size of the Ark?
No, of course not.
It was only the unique characteristics of Gopherwood, it's strength, durability and more importantly, the fact that it grew as a natural plank, that made the Ark possible.

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bluegenes
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Message 107 of 194 (385419)
02-15-2007 3:50 PM
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02-15-2007 2:45 PM


Re: Gopherwood Forests
The proof of this is again found in the Ark. Noah, his family and neighbors built the Ark using only stone tools.
Was it some kind of punishment from God that forced Noah to use stone tools in the Bronze Age? I thought he was God's favourite. I reckon God probably gave him a chainsaw.
Seeing as you know so much about it, why didn't God just build the damned thing for him anyway. And why bother with all this flood business anyway, when he could of killed of all the baddies with lightning bolts? That's what Zeus would've done.
But you'd expect a Greek God to be more practical and scientific.
Personally, I think Jehova had severe emotional problems. The whole thing smacks of attention seeking to me.

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riVeRraT
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Message 108 of 194 (385461)
02-15-2007 6:31 PM
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02-15-2007 9:35 AM


Re: answer is easy.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Show me one thing that is not subjective.

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jar
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Message 109 of 194 (385475)
02-15-2007 7:14 PM
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02-15-2007 3:50 PM


Re: Gopherwood Forests
Was it some kind of punishment from God that forced Noah to use stone tools in the Bronze Age? I thought he was God's favourite. I reckon God probably gave him a chainsaw.
Depends exactly when the Flood happened. It was certainly no later than the EBA and possibly even before. While Noah and Co. may have had bronze tools they would have been only the most basic.
In addition, the fact that the Gopherwood trees grew so unusually made for little working, and there is still few sharper cutting and shaving tools than a well knapped flint.
Seeing as you know so much about it, why didn't God just build the damned thing for him anyway.
Idle hands are the Devils playground. In addition, it was OTJT for the family in tasks they might face after the flood like building shelters.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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Taz
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Message 110 of 194 (385482)
02-15-2007 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by riVeRraT
02-15-2007 6:31 PM


Re: answer is easy.
riverrat writes:
Show me one thing that is not subjective.
Can we all agree that the earth has no corners, as is suggested by the bible? There, if you agree to this very simple fact, than it's objective.

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Nighttrain
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Message 111 of 194 (385500)
02-15-2007 8:11 PM


The solution is PC
Guys, gals, let`s get our thinking caps on.
The solution is simple--Punctuated Creation!
When God saw all that prime real estate lying empty post-Flood, He kicked the ole Creation machine back into gear and popped out new critters (and plants) for each vacancy. It`s all spelled out in the second book of the Bible--Profundicus--right between Genesis and Exodus. Not in your Bible? Damn, that Eusebius has a lot to answer for.
Btw, do I get a prize?

  
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Message 112 of 194 (385518)
02-15-2007 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by riVeRraT
02-15-2007 6:31 PM


Re: answer is easy.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
quote:
Show me one thing that is not subjective.
Irrelevant.
The point is, unlikely things happen constantly, rat.
Every single day.
Many times, each and every day, in fact.
Just because a bunch of unlikely things happened to you over time doesn't mean jack from an evidence point of view.
They are just anecdotes, and have no power whatsoever as evidence, since you are the sole person who is experiencing the so-called phenomena, recording/noting the incidents, and interpreting and determining the meaning of those phenomena after the fact.
They clearly are meaningful to you from a faith satndpoint, and that's fine, but they are completely worthless as data.
You cannot set yourself up as the experimenter, subject, and evaluator and expect to get results that are rational or useful as evidence.
The plural of "anecdote" is NOT "data".

'Explanations like "God won't be tested by scientific studies" but local yokels can figure it out just by staying aware of what's going on have no rational basis whatsoever.' -Percy
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."- Richard Feynman
"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders

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Quetzal
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Message 113 of 194 (385566)
02-16-2007 8:04 AM
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02-15-2007 10:56 AM


Re: Gopherwood Forests
But the food was hyper-macro dehydrated. A whole barn full of hay bales was reduced to the size of a sugar cube.
Wasn't this one of Morris' ideas about how to get around the food problem? Or was that former member JohnPaul's extrapolation? I can't remember.

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Message 114 of 194 (385570)
02-16-2007 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by riVeRraT
02-15-2007 6:31 PM


Re: answer is easy.
RiverRat writes:
Show me one thing that is not subjective.
  • The earth orbits the sun and our sun is member of a galaxy of suns.
  • 2 + 2 = 4
  • The ratio of the circumference to diameter is the same for all sizes of circles and is approximately 22/7

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    johnfolton 
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    Message 115 of 194 (385579)
    02-16-2007 10:36 AM
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    02-16-2007 8:04 AM


    Re: Gopherwood Forests
    This poster is a troll and does not engage in rational or honest debate. Answer at the risk of wasting your time.
    But the food was hyper-macro dehydrated. A whole barn full of hay bales was reduced to the size of a sugar cube.
    Wasn't this one of Morris' ideas about how to get around the food problem? Or was that former member JohnPaul's extrapolation? I can't remember.
    The bible said to pitch inside and out, no reason why the grain bins would not of been sealed inside and out, thus they would of been preserved from the humidity. Grains energy value compared to huge volumes of hay reduced the size needed for energy storage (condensed energy) add water an serve.
    Edited by AdminNosy, : troll warning

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    Taz
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    Message 116 of 194 (385590)
    02-16-2007 11:42 AM
    Reply to: Message 114 by iceage
    02-16-2007 9:13 AM


    Re: answer is easy.
    iceage writes:
    The ratio of the circumference to diameter is the same for all sizes of circles and is approximately 22/7
    Actually, this is up for debate, supposedly. Some creationists have claimed that since 3.14...... isn't a perfect number, god couldn't possibly have made it that way. They argue that the real pi is 3.0.
    2 + 2 = 4
    Again, this is up for debate. Since god made everything, he could have easily made 2+2 out to be 7.
    The earth orbits the sun and our sun is member of a galaxy of suns.
    We all know this is bullocks. The bible specifically stated that the earth is a 2 dimensional object with corners. Since there's no mention of a "galaxy" in the bible, its existence should be up for debate.

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    nator
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    Message 117 of 194 (385879)
    02-17-2007 7:46 PM
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    02-16-2007 10:36 AM


    Re: Gopherwood Forests
    quote:
    Grains energy value compared to huge volumes of hay reduced the size needed for energy storage
    Yeah.
    Were there horses on the ark? And cattle? And other herbivores that eat grass as their main diet?
    Do you know what feeding horses and cows a grain-only, or grain-heavy diet does to them?

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    riVeRraT
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    Message 118 of 194 (385997)
    02-18-2007 9:01 PM
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    02-15-2007 7:41 PM


    Re: answer is easy.
    Can we all agree that the earth has no corners, as is suggested by the bible? There, if you agree to this very simple fact, than it's objective.
    You see, I knew it all comes down to that. If the bible is some how fundamentally wrong,t hen God somehow doesn't exist.
    The bible also says the sky is a dome, hinting that they knew long before, that the world was indeed round.
    And when they speak of corners, they are not talking about the corners of a sqaure. Maybe if you read it the right way, then you would be enlightened.

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    riVeRraT
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    Message 119 of 194 (385998)
    02-18-2007 9:05 PM
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    02-15-2007 9:00 PM


    Re: answer is easy.
    The point is, unlikely things happen constantly, rat.
    I am sort of enjoying your new name, you seem calmer, now if I can just get you to stop calling me rat, as if you knew what it meant.
    The point is, we are not talking about unlikely things.
    They are just anecdotes, and have no power whatsoever as evidence,
    Everything is evidence of something, to deny it is illogical, and purely an emotional repsonse from someone playing the logical card.
    The plural of "anecdote" is NOT "data".
    And the funny thing, is I never said it was.

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    riVeRraT
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    Message 120 of 194 (386000)
    02-18-2007 9:10 PM
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    02-16-2007 9:13 AM


    Re: answer is easy.
    # The earth orbits the sun and our sun is member of a galaxy of suns.
    # 2 + 2 = 4
    # The ratio of the circumference to diameter is the same for all sizes of circles and is approximately 22/7
    RiverRat writes:
    Show me one thing that is not subjective.
  • The earth orbits the sun and our sun is member of a galaxy of suns.
  • 2 + 2 = 4
  • The ratio of the circumference to diameter is the same for all sizes of circles and is approximately 22/7
  • All of this is subjective, no matter how objective you think it is.
    We are limited by viewing the world through our subjective minds.
    And nothing in science is ever "proven."
    Don't try to take this conversation farther, you will not teach me anything. I am a realist, I still think I have the most open mind in EVC, yet most will argue against that. All of those points are up for debate in some form or fashion.
    When you prove that God doesn't exist, then we can talk.

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