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toff
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Message 46 of 54 (4477)
02-14-2002 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by KingPenguin
02-13-2002 3:59 PM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
i was being sarcastic of course and whenever you debate and proven wrong you can just change the mechanisms of the theory and make it correct. theres no ground to gained for either of us. i never said i was loving or christian either. i said i was faithful believer of Christ and that i believed the bible but i was not a creationist, since i dont see much purpose in science other than to understand God better.

And gee, after your brilliant reply to me earlier, your credibility is at such a high point. You are a christian, a creationist, and a hypocrite.

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toff
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Message 47 of 54 (4478)
02-14-2002 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by TrueCreation
02-13-2002 4:35 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
For one, Jesus himself hated religion, its one of the only things that made him angry in his life.
No, he did not, and I don't think you can possibly support such a statement scripturally. He was vehemently against what he saw as hypocritical displays of pious 'religiousity'; nowhere does he show any feeling against religion. He preaches it constantly (whether you like it or not, christianity is a religion, and Jesus preached love for and obedience to God - they are religious tenets).

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KingPenguin
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Message 48 of 54 (4511)
02-14-2002 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by toff
02-14-2002 2:24 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by toff:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by KingPenguin:
And gee, after your brilliant reply to me earlier, your credibility is at such a high point. You are a christian, a creationist, and a hypocrite.
[/b][/QUOTE]
at least i know when to stop being a juvenile and know when to admit ive made mistakes.
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"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-14-2002]

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TrueCreation
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Message 49 of 54 (4513)
02-14-2002 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by KingPenguin
02-14-2002 12:25 AM


"well i just think that creation takes the bible to literally and tries to use it as history guide, which it isnt. it just gives you an understanding of how things occur and what and who were the forces and reasons behind them."
--I really think I need to make an illustration of my point on the way creation science, creaitonism, and faith (in the bible) correlate. I will quote myself on some points I stated earlier:
quote:
Creation Science and Faith are intertwined to form Creationism. Thus Creationism has included faith and science, and is unscientific in its whole, contrary to creation science. Do we see the model here yet?
quote:
I guess we still don't understand the full model, but atleast were getting somewhere. Creation science is simply 'science' that is given the name creation science by the perspective of the higher classified 'creationism' in the hierarchy. Creation science and faith form creationism. Creation science for instance, is science, and looked upon as 'creation science' for its interperetation for a young earth, which is fully evidence/science based. When looked upon by Creationism, creationism uses creation science to then apply it to the biblical doctrine, which is why it is intertwined with faith. Thus Creation science is not based on the validity of the bible or faith in it to substantiate it as scientific, it simply is.
"on a funny note im in like three different religion youth groups: baptist, lutheran, and assembly of god; and i just thinks it stupid how they usually say theyre theyre the only ones that are right and that they are the true religion. lutheran is what i can stand the most though because in my church we arent forced into anything and they dont tell us what to believe, they still however instruct us on how we should live and thats what they should be doing. i still dont enjoy religion nearly as much as i enjoy faith and love of christ and from christ."
--This is probably why I like non-denominational churches, their not so 'denominational' to put it in its simplest form. And even the Bible itself urged churches to merge and not conflict on the little things that we are doing today, must be there for a reason huh.
"society has however made me doubtful of my own existence in any form; im not sure if im actually here anymore.
any thoughts?"
--I don't fully understand what your saying.
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Cobra_snake
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Message 50 of 54 (4529)
02-14-2002 10:36 PM


Well, toff, it seems to me that most of your posts have been insult.

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toff
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Message 51 of 54 (4538)
02-15-2002 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Cobra_snake
02-14-2002 10:36 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
Well, toff, it seems to me that most of your posts have been insult.
Then what 'seems' to you is incorrect. Examine KingPenguin's post 36, and my previous ones. Please show me where I was insulting to him, or anywhere I posted anything that deserved his childish tirade.

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Cobra_snake
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Message 52 of 54 (4856)
02-17-2002 6:50 PM


Well, I am not supporting KingPenguin's actions, although I can see why he would get frustrated. And I am not saying that you are insulting people directly. However, if we examine three of your posted topics:
On creationists' beliefs
On being ill-informed
Always a laugh
Close inspection will reveal that these posts are almost fact free, and are in fact general insults to the basic Creationists position.

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TrueCreation
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Message 53 of 54 (4882)
02-17-2002 10:08 PM


Only 1 of my last 4 messages received a reply
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toff
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Message 54 of 54 (4914)
02-18-2002 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Cobra_snake
02-17-2002 6:50 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
Well, I am not supporting KingPenguin's actions, although I can see why he would get frustrated. And I am not saying that you are insulting people directly. However, if we examine three of your posted topics:
On creationists' beliefs
On being ill-informed
Always a laugh
Close inspection will reveal that these posts are almost fact free, and are in fact general insults to the basic Creationists position.

No, if you examine them you will see that they say things you don't like. Sorry.

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