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Author Topic:   Probability of the existence of God
john6zx
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Message 34 of 219 (464550)
04-27-2008 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Wumpini
04-23-2008 8:20 AM


Listen, God is part of a belief, a faith. If God was a real person, place, or thing then God would not be included or part of a faith or belief
FAITH.
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
1. a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality" [syn: religion]
2. complete confidence in a person or plan etc; "he cherished the faith of a good woman"; "the doctor-patient relationship is based on trust"
3. an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him" [syn: religion]
4. loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"; "they broke faith with their investors"
Belief:
1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3. confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4. a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.
The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.
Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.
Real:
1. true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent: the real reason for an act.
2. existing or occurring as fact; actual rather than imaginary, ideal, or fictitious: a story taken from real life.
3. being an actual thing; having objective existence; not imaginary: The events you will see in the film are real and not just made up.
4. being actually such; not merely so-called: a real victory.
5. genuine; not counterfeit, artificial, or imitation; authentic: a real antique; a real diamond; real silk.
6. unfeigned or sincere: real sympathy; a real friend.
7. Informal. absolute; complete; utter: She's a real brain.
8. Philosophy. a. existent or pertaining to the existent as opposed to the nonexistent.
b. actual as opposed to possible or potential.
c. independent of experience as opposed to phenomenal or apparent.
Real, actual, true in general use describe objects, persons, experiences, etc., that are what they are said or purport to be. That which is described as real is genuine as opposed to counterfeit, false, or merely supposed: a real emerald; real leather binding; My real ambition is to be a dentist. Actual usually stresses contrast with another state of affairs that has been proposed or suggested: The actual cost is much less; to conceal one's actual motive. True implies a perfect correspondence with actuality and is in direct contrast to that which is false or inaccurate: a true account of the events; not bravado but true courage. See also authentic.
”Usage note The intensifying adverb real, meaning “very,” is informal and limited to speech or to written representations of speech: He drives a real beat-up old car. The adjective real meaning “true, actual, genuine, etc.,” is standard in all types of speech and writing: Their real reasons for objecting became clear in the discussion. The informal adjective sense “absolute, complete” is also limited to speech or representations of speech: These interruptions are a real bother.
So, per the definition of real, is God a real physical person.
This is what God has taught us. Lead by example.
We learn from Christianity that if you do not like what people are doing it is o.k. to kill them (the great flood).
We also learn that incest is o.k. The children of Adam and Eve (who were all brothers and sisters) had sex and populated the world.
We also learn to be vindictive. God makes us all sinners and then punishes us and tells us we need to repent for being sinners. God is the maker of faulty products (his children) and then tells them they are bad.
We also learn that insanity is the way of God. God is part of a religion that has convinced people that he is an invisible man in the sky who watches everything that we do, every minute of the day. God has a special list of things that he does not want you to do. If you do any of these things, he has a special place full of fire, smoke, burning, torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer, burn, scream, and cry forever until the end of time . .But he loves you.
We also learn that it is o.k. to sit and do nothing when someone is in trouble, being killed, or starving to death. Witness all of the children that are kidnapped raped or killed. God does nothing. I know of people who have nothing to do with the belief in any God who treat their children better than God. These fathers would give their life for the safety of their children, Yet God is content to just do nothing while his children are raped, killed, and die of some cancer or virus that He himself created.
We also learn from the examples of others who believe in God that killing and torture in the name of religion is o.k. Witness the witch burnings and the inquisition. If you look at the facts of history, more people have been killed for being “identified” as being evil by those who are religious, than those who have been killed who have been identified as being religious by those who are evil. Who is really the evil ones here.
I could go on with this, but it is unnecessary, I think you get the point.

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john6zx
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Message 35 of 219 (464551)
04-27-2008 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by PaulK
04-26-2008 6:44 PM


Re: Law of Biogenesis
INHERENT:
1. existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: an inherent distrust of strangers.
2. Grammar. standing before a noun.
3. inhering; infixed
Existing as an essential constituent or characteristic; intrinsic.
There is all the difference in the world between living and unliving matter. Unliving matter is absent of life. It is the difference between life and death. How much more of a difference can you have.

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john6zx
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Message 36 of 219 (464552)
04-27-2008 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Wumpini
04-24-2008 1:27 PM


Re: Probability
EXIST:
1. to have actual being; be: The world exists, whether you like it or not.
2. to have life or animation; live.
3. to continue to be or live: Belief in magic still exists.
4. to have being in a specified place or under certain conditions; be found; occur: Hunger exists in many parts of the world.
5. to achieve the basic needs of existence, as food and shelter: He's not living, he's merely existing.
Look at the definition of real I posted.
I know that I have posted many definitions, but these definitions are what we use to define our reality, these definitions are agreed upon realities for us. This whole discussion of the existence of God is easily resolved by defining your terms.

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john6zx
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Message 48 of 219 (464596)
04-27-2008 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by PaulK
04-27-2008 4:37 AM


Re: Law of Biogenesis
PaulK
I really suggest that you try reading the definition you quote and seeing how it actually applies to the situation. It is quite clear that the difference between life and death is not that living matter is inherently different from unliving matter.
O.K. Your point is that matter is matter, fine I will not disagree with that. The body of a living person is like that of a dead person, both are physical objects with an atomic structure. So what is your point? We all can see that matter is mater. Are you going to say that life, that thing that makes the difference between a piece of matter that has no life and a life form (matter animated by life)is also made of atoms? Do you think that life is just an arrangement of atoms?

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john6zx
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Message 49 of 219 (464597)
04-27-2008 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Dr Adequate
04-27-2008 4:42 AM


Re: Law of Biogenesis
Dr Adequate, let me ask you, do you think that life (that thing which animates matter) is also composed of atoms? Do you think that all living things are 100% matter?

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john6zx
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Message 52 of 219 (464611)
04-27-2008 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Wumpini
04-27-2008 3:13 AM


Re: Ignoring is Ignorance
Wumpini writes:
Based upon the evidence, I believe there is only one possibility. God exists! With only one possibility, the probability is 100%.
Which God are you talking about, there are so many? What evidence do you have of the existance of this God? In what way do you think this God exists?

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john6zx
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Message 53 of 219 (464616)
04-27-2008 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by PaulK
04-27-2008 2:23 PM


Re: Law of Biogenesis
Paulk wrote:
It seems that you have agreed with my point - that there is no inherent difference between living matter and dead matter. Nobody has found anything special about living matter. Its properties are explained by the same physics and chemistry as unliving matter.
There is no difference in the physical matter that is around us. What makes some matter possess life? What is the difference between living matter and dead matter? You cannot say that all matter is alive or all matter is dead, there is a distinction between living matter and dead matter. What makes that difference?

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john6zx
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Message 54 of 219 (464617)
04-27-2008 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by PaulK
04-27-2008 2:23 PM


Re: Law of Biogenesis
Paulk wrote:
The difference between living and unliving matter is that living matter is participating in the processes that we call life. And that is really all that there is to it.
Sorry, I got ahead of myself in responding to your post. I see that you already answered what you the difference is between living and non living matter. So lets contiue from there.
You say that living matter is PARTICIPATING in the process of life. What gives this matter the ability to PARTICIPATE? Not all matter is participating in life, so there is something that living matter has that non living matter is missing. What is this missing thing?

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