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Topic: Probability of the existence of God
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 14 of 219 (464284)
04-24-2008 2:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Wumpini
04-23-2008 8:20 AM
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Hi Wumpini, Welcome to EvC.
Wumpini writes: Is there a chance that God exists? If there is a chance, what is it? Can we assign a probability to the existence of God? Being this is faith and belief and I don't have to give a scientific answer I will respond. But I must qualify what I am talking about. If you are talking about The God of the Bible (I use the KJV as it is the best English version), there is a chance God exists. You ask, what is the chance? My answer, 100%. You ask, Can we assign a probability to the existence of God? Again if you are talking about the God of the Bible (KJV)? Yes. You ask what is the probability? My answer 100% You ask how can you be so sure? August will be the 68 Th. anniversary of my meeting Jesus and receiving Him as my personal savior. I put my life in His hands and He has never failed me. I have everything that a man could desire. I have peace, joy, happiness, and contentment. Things that money, fame and fortune can not buy. I have the Word of God that I can read. I also have the Holy Spirit to lead me and guide me in all Truth. Besides these, I walk and talk with God everyday. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Re-100%
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes: Haven't you fail to incorporate the odds that it really wasn't Jesus that you received? I qualified my answer by stating the God of the KJV Bible. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Re-100%
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes: There's still the slim possibility that aliens were brainwashing you. I entertained the idea. Then I got, "The New American Bible" out and compared it to my KJV. Genesis 1:1, John 3:16-18, Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-10, and I John 3:1-3. Comparing those two Bibles I will still say I am 100% sure. For me to depend on God I must have faith that He Is. If I doubt then I have no faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Heb. 11:6 God Bless
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Re: It can't be 100%
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes: but it can never be 100%. When the experiment is over and each one of us stand before God the Son to be judged and we receive our just rewards for what we have done in the flesh there will be no doubt left in anyone's mind, as to the existence of God. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Re: The problem is a lack of faith!
Hi Cs,
Message 85Catholic Scientist writes: No, Thomas got his faith when he saw that it really was Jesus and when he touched him. Where does the scripture you quoted say that Thomas touched Jesus. Seems to me you are just reading that into the passage.
Message 89Catholic Scientist writes: Such pedantry! Thanks. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Re: The problem is a lack of faith!
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes:
ICANT writes: Where does the scripture you quoted say that Thomas touched Jesus.
John 20:
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27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Could you point out the specific words that says Thomas reached out and touched Jesus.
Catholic Scientist writes: Such pedantry! Catholic Scientist writes: Seems you don't know what pedantry is. Maybe I don't but if it hasn't changed it has to do with presentation or application of knowledge or learning. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 96 of 219 (464823)
04-29-2008 3:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by Wumpini
04-28-2008 4:14 PM
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Re: Doubt
Hi Wumpini,
Wumpini writes: I agree completely that a Christian can doubt, Depending upon how you use the word Christian I may or may not agree with the above statement. If you mean anyone who has made a profession of faith or is a member of a some church I could agree with you. If you are talking about someone who has met Jesus and accepted Him as personal Savior and been born again by the Holy Spirit coming in and sealing his soul until the day of redemption, I have to disagree with you. The Spirit born person can not doubt that God is. Because he has God dwelling within. He may doubt many things but he will never doubt God's existence. The problem is most people who believe in Jesus, have joined a church and been baptized have head knowledge only. They are in the same boat as the devils.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. It takes more than head knowledge about God. A person that only has head knowledge will doubt that God exists because he has no evidence as the person that has received the Holy Spirit. As has been pointed out there are some very educated people on this site in worldly terms of knowledge. But worldly knowledge and spiritual knowledge are two different things. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Re: The problem is a lack of faith!
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes: You, yourself, on this forum, have added a lot more to less with that crap about Gen 2 being in between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, or whatever it was, so don't give me this crap about what the Bible actually says. I do not add anything to Genesis 1:1 or Genesis 2:4. Genesis 2:4 says it is the generations of the heavens and the earth in the day they were created. They were created in Genesis 1:1 therefore Genesis 2:4-Genesis 4:26 go with Genesis 1:1. For me not to believe that is to doubt God, and the way He presented the story to Moses.
Catholic Scientist writes: Or the use of the Bible... CS I have built things all my life, roads, bridges, houses, and cabinets and you have to be pretty precise in doing those things are you make a mess. The same thing applies to God's Word. I can take the scripture and twist it to say just about anything I want it to say. But if I study the Word of God and let it interpet itself being precise in what it says allowing the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me in all truth I can find the truth. That is why I can be 100% sure I will see God the moment my spirit leaves this earthly body. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Re: The problem is a lack of faith!
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes: Thomas’s evidence for his belief is not his faith, he only gets his faith after he gets the physical evidence, and the physical evidence is what allowed him to believe. I would like to point out a couple of things about Thomas. He had been with Jesus for 3 1/2 years. When Jesus was crucified he thought that was the end of everything. When he was told Jesus was alive he could not believe it had happened. How could a man live again? Thomas was a man who did not have the Holy Spirit to lead him and guide him. All he had was what he could see and understand by the knowledge he posessed. The Holy Spirit did not come until after Jesus had left and Pentecost was fully come. But when he saw the spike holes in His hands and the spear hole in His side all doubt was removed. A person today who has received Christ as personal Savior and been sealed by the Holy Spirit has just as much assurance as did Thomas. He has the Holy Spirit to open his eyes that he might see. In answer to your question in your post to me: Message 98 Catholic Scientist writes: And how do you know that it isn't Satan disguised as the Holy Spirit giving you false interpretations to lead you astray? The Holy Spirit only testifies of Jesus. Satan will not testify of Jesus. Everything he puts forth is man being equal to God. The I, Me, and Mine attitude. Satan tells man he can be good enough to go to heaven. The Holy Spirit tells me I am unworthy to see heaven unless I have put total dependance on Jesus by accepting the full pardon offered to me. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 106 of 219 (464870)
04-30-2008 12:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 104 by iano
04-30-2008 7:58 AM
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Re: The problem is a lack of faith!
Hi iano,
iano writes: Jesus himself uses faith and belief interchangeably. Paul uses faith and belief interchangeably. The Bible elsewhere defines faith as being other than belief. I dealing the cards I'm dealt which is a different matter that changing words in a verse. I think there is a difference in faith and belief. Give me your thoughts on the following. You can believe without having faith. But you can not have faith with out believing. Paul in telling his conversion story to King Agrippa in Acts 26: 13-19 states in verse 18 that Jesus said: "To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith THAT IS IN ME." Jesus said I am sanctified by the faith that is in Jesus.
Roma 3:3 (KJV) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Roma 3:22 (KJV) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Gala 2:20 (KJV) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Roma 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Faith comes to the individual when he hears and obeys (Because you have not heard it until you obey it.) the Word of God. Therefore the faith that gives me the 100% certainty that God exists was given to me when I heard the Word and received Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. Like Paul did on the road to Damascus when he met Jesus and said: What would you have me to do?" God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 108 of 219 (464893)
04-30-2008 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 107 by Blue Jay
04-30-2008 1:32 PM
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Re: Conflict of Convictions
Hi Bluejay,
Bluejay writes: How is this enough evidence for ICANT and Wumpini to declare 100% probability of God's existence? I think you hit the nail on the head when you said:
Essentially, for any one of our spiritual convictions to be "true," we would necessitate millions of other peoples' spiritual convictions to be at least partially false. How could anybody be so sure of their personal emotional (or "spiritual," if you prefer) witness as to simply shrug off everyone else's essentially equal spiritual convictions as false? First of all my spiritual convictions are not due to my personal emotional witness. I just believe God.
John 14:6 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus said He was the only way. I must believe Him and do things His way. I can not afford to be wrong because there is only one way. I am either 100% correct, or I am 100% wrong. Therefore I have spent some 60 years searching for the truth. I studied Greek, and Hebrew so I could understand the original texts. I study every day and ask the Holy Spirit to lead me in all truth. Jesus promised me if I would trust Him He would save me and give me eternal life. He promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide me in all truth. Jesus can not lie, therefore resting on His promises I am 100% sure I will see Him one day and He will say enter into the joys of thy Lord. Not because of anything I have ever done. If I received what I deserved He would say depart from me ye worker of iniquity. I am glad I will not get what I deserve but what He promised me for believing that He Is and that He Will do what He said He would do. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 117 of 219 (465065)
05-02-2008 4:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Blue Jay
04-30-2008 8:58 PM
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Re: Conflict of Convictions
Hi jay,
Bluejay writes: There's got to be something behind your belief in God, other than just a belief: WHY? I studied the Bible. I heard the Word preached.
1Cor 1:21 (KJV) For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. I came to the conclusions the Bible was true and I needed to obey it.
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. I came to a decision in my mind not the carnal body, to take God at His Word. When I did this the Holy Spirit came in and sealed my soul until the day of redemption.
Ephe 4:30 (KJS) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Then and only then did I have any emotional feelings in my physical body. The emotions come and go. The fact that I asked God to save me because His Son died for my sins on the Cross of Calvary and God saved me by His Grace and Unmerited favor because He said He would if I would believe in Him has never wavered and no man can take that away from me.
Hebr 11:6 (KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. We must believe that God is. We have no other choice. We must believe that He will do what He says He will do. It is impossible to be saved if you don't. When I asked God to save me He gave me all the faith I will ever need. Because it is His faith. That is why I can say I am 100% sure I will see God and hear enter into the joys of thy Lord. ABE I hope this also answers you questions in msg 116 If not express your exact concerns and I will try to clarify. There are too many people that have an emotional experience only. God Bless, Edited by ICANT, : Address concerns of Bluejay in msg 116.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 141 of 219 (466191)
05-13-2008 1:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Straggler
05-13-2008 12:13 PM
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Re: Reality Bites
Straggler writes: A simple example of a specific form of non-empirical evidence and the knowledge that is concluded as a result of this "evidence" is all that is being requested. T=0 Universe God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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