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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I live for life. quote: Not sure, but I strive to enjoy it as much as I can.
quote: Yeah, well, OK then. Why does this matter? How does it relate?
Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein without tying it back to the main topic. --AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5874 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Why does this matter? How does it relate? I'm going to have to get to work (already late). If you really want me to answer these questions I'll give it a go at a later time. But I may dissapoint you. A great question is, who will answer? It is interesting that God (in the biblical sense) asks in many different books and chapters, the kind of questions that only He can answer. If you endeavor to ask Him the questions CK, the answers will be forthcoming. But they are not the answers your looking for.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5031 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: that seems more like the final solution to me. P.S I'd like to play the part of God and create hell for others, sounds like fun!
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : No reason given. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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ramoss Member (Idle past 637 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The way I see it, it doesn't matter if 'God is dead' or not. Mankind plays god everyday. Every time there is a life/death decision to make, it is playing god. Every time a medicial treatment is researched or is rejected due to 'ethical' concerns, it is playing god.
Since that is the case, what is the difference?
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5874 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
The way I see it, it doesn't matter if 'God is dead' or not. Mankind plays god everyday. Every time there is a life/death decision to make, it is playing god. Every time a medicial treatment is researched or is rejected due to 'ethical' concerns, it is playing god. Since that is the case, what is the difference? I see your point! It's not like there are any consequences to playing God... Seriously? Is there not a difference between playing God, and obeying God? Hitler played God. Hitlers enemies obeyed God and killed Hitler. The difference is striking to me. If only it were always that clear in every situation. Ramoss,can we count on you to help reveal the difference when the devil is in the details?
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Is there not a difference between playing God, and obeying God?
Could it have been the other way around? Maybe Hitler was obeying God, and his enemies were playing God by killing him. Hitler played God. Hitlers enemies obeyed God and killed Hitler. My point is that, at the time, there were many deeply religious people who thought that way. Personally, I think it is dangerous whenever somebody is "obeying God and killing." It can so often be self-delusion, and it is a very dangerous self-delusion. Compassionate conservatism - bringing you a kinder, gentler torture chamber
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5874 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Personally, I think it is dangerous whenever somebody is "obeying God and killing." It can so often be self-delusion, and it is a very dangerous self-delusion. Of course it's dangerous, and of course it can be self delusional. but it is not always the case.
Could it have been the other way around? Maybe Hitler was obeying God, and his enemies were playing God by killing him. NO!
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
What do you mean no? i think hitler would disagree with you, he thought he was kill the jews and other unwanted people in the name of god, he thought he was right.
he i would figure would say that the people out to get him were blocking his right and duty to do gods will and that people decided to kill him were taking gods power from god by doing so
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: Hitler played God. Hitlers enemies obeyed God and killed Hitler. Stalin was Hitler's enemy - he helped kill Hitler. Was Stalin obeying God? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5874 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Stalin was Hitler's enemy - he helped kill Hitler. Was Stalin obeying God? Stalin had his own motivations as does every man. But this has little to do with whether or not God is obeyed. Evil peole do the right things all the time, because it is expediant for them. Sometimes they even do it because it is right. Then they talk of how good they are and troll for compliments and honor. A place in the history books. "My look how much he did for mankind." It all goes right back to the topic... Does any man deserve the credit for straightening out mankind, when all but one are crooked serpents having his part in the mother Hydra? Yes, but only the one, and either He is God and spoke the truth, or we are God because He was a liar. It's not complicated, but we all appriciate your efforts to make it so. Thank you so much for the helping hand. Perhaps we (as Babylon)will erect a memorial in your honor or the honor and image of your father. Someday...
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: Stalin had his own motivations as does every man. Including Churchill and Rooosevelt. So why do you think Hitler's enemies were "obeying God"?
... either He is God and spoke the truth, or we are God because He was a liar. False dichotomy. Maybe He was just a man and spoke the truth, or maybe He didn't exist at all. Maybe he was a liar and there is a completely different god. You're welcome to believe what you believe, but you can't make it the basis of all logic. Your point seems to be that if there is no external God, we have to be our own God. You assume that we have a need for some kind of God. My point (and I suspect that Nietzsche was driving in the same direction) is that we do not need an external God because everything we call "God" is already inside us.
Perhaps we (as Babylon)will erect a memorial in your honor or the honor and image of your father. Someday... My Father doesn't like graven images. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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smegma Inactive Member |
"If God is dead, does mankind become God?"
God has no beginning and no end(that means He was never created and He cannot die).
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ramoss Member (Idle past 637 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Obey God?? Obey GOd??
I see some books that are vaguely written that can be interpreted in many many different ways. If someone comes up with an interpretation of any specific passage, someone can either come up with a different interpretation or a phrase that contradicts it. WHo is to say WHAT it is to 'obey god'? Many people do, but so many people who also claim what is 'obeying god' will disagree with any specific action. So, since you can not show any specific action is 'obeying' god or not, what is the difference?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 637 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
My point (and I suspect that Nietzsche was driving in the same direction) is that we do not need an external God because everything we call "God" is already inside us.
Attributed to Jesus "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you"
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5874 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
I see some books that are vaguely written that can be interpreted in many many different ways. Me too. The Bible is not one of them. It speaks very clearly. so clearly that the doublemindedness of men cannot hear what it says or see what it shows. It's not a problem of interpretaion. It's a problem of rebellion. It's a problem of sin. The Bible makes it plain.
WHo is to say WHAT it is to 'obey god'? Are you asking, who will answer? Who is qualified? Who can claim to know? Who has the authority to make such affirmations? Who is completely submitted to reality and God's will? Who is so uniquely righteous that they dare claim such blasphemy? Would they not be the biggest liar of all? Would they not be worthy of death? Even crucifiction? After all, He would preach of death for the non-believing? To hell with us? Ha ha, to hell with Him! Can we even believe in such a man? If so, it would be no mere man such as Rob or Ramoss. It would have to be one incredibly extraordinary man.
Many people do, but so many people who also claim what is 'obeying god' will disagree with any specific action. One man said, "Why don't you judge for yourseves what is right?"
So, since you can not show any specific action is 'obeying' god or not, what is the difference? The difference is pretending we are Gods with amnesia vs. acknowledging what we know is right when confronted with it head on.
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