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subbie
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Message 98 of 213 (482004)
09-13-2008 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Open MInd
09-13-2008 10:05 PM


Re: A Real Skeptic
So in other words, you're willing to doubt all the evidence your five "sentences" provide and conclude that the world may not exist, and at the same time assume the existence of a being that you cannot experience with any of your senses.
Have I got it about right?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 100 of 213 (482006)
09-13-2008 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Open MInd
09-13-2008 10:24 PM


Re: A Real Skeptic
Open MInd writes:
According to the evidence, my conscious would be created through unconscious matter. This is something that science is still struggling with. If they do not know where the conscious comes from then they do not really know where the world comes from either.
Yes, well, as interesting as that is, I asked you a rather simple question:
quote:
So in other words, you're willing to doubt all the evidence your five "sentences" provide and conclude that the world may not exist, and at the same time assume the existence of a being that you cannot experience with any of your senses.
Have I got it about right?
It really calls for a yes or no answer, either that's what you said or not.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 106 of 213 (482313)
09-15-2008 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Open MInd
09-14-2008 5:46 PM


Re: A Real Skeptic
I asked you if one of your previous posts could be summarized as follows:
So in other words, you're willing to doubt all the evidence your five "sentences" provide and conclude that the world may not exist, and at the same time assume the existence of a being that you cannot experience with any of your senses.
Have I got it about right?
Either that is what you said, or it is not what you said. A or ~A. There are no other alternatives.
Well, I guess there is one other alternative, dodge and refuse to answer.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 115 of 213 (482448)
09-16-2008 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Open MInd
09-16-2008 1:28 PM


Not a Real Skeptic
quote:
As far as I am concerned there is no proof that other beliefs even exist.
As far as I am concerned, there's no proof that you or your beliefs exist.
And so long as each of us puts any weight on that ridiculous proposition, there's nothing more to discuss. This, of course, is the problem with your hyper-skepticism. It ends all possible debate. You can dismiss anything and everything that anyone says by responding that you simply don't believe it, without the slightest examination of the weight or validity of any of the evidence. This is not "real skepticism." It is indistinguishable from you simply repeating "nuh uh" to everything anybody says. And while this can be an effective schoolyard tactic, it's certainly not debate.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 118 of 213 (482452)
09-16-2008 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Agobot
09-16-2008 5:38 PM


Re: Not a Real Skeptic
quote:
AFAIMC, there is no proof that "proof" exists.
And just like that, poof, the whole website disapp

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 120 of 213 (482454)
09-16-2008 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Open MInd
09-16-2008 5:42 PM


Re: Not a Real Skeptic
quote:
Theoretically, if you actually did exist (of course I can never prove that you do), and you were taught that the world had no meaning, you would have no reason to believe that the world does have any meaning.
Except that I, unlike you apparently, have the ability to perceive the world, evaluate arguments and evidence that others offer, and come to my own conclusions about the real world. Thus, I am not eternally welded to ideas that I accepted as true when I was a child.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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