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Author Topic:   Christianity Is Broken, but Can Be Fixed
arachnophilia
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Message 211 of 247 (269734)
12-15-2005 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by nwr
12-14-2005 11:54 PM


Re: Misquoting Jesus
I already expected that there would be copying problems. However, they are considerably more extensive than I had expected
yes, i didn't realize the extent of the changes made for strictly doctrinal reasons.
Or maybe literalism is the weapon for satan. That scripture has changed should not be a big problem for people who recognize that scripture is the work of men, perhaps highly inspired men. But it does undermine the assumptions of the literalist.
maybe.

אָרַח

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bkelly
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Message 212 of 247 (269747)
12-15-2005 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by macaroniandcheese
12-14-2005 10:40 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
Hello brennakimi,
RE: you have to move in the direction of added understanding very carefully
You are indeed right and I do need to work on that. However, and this does not fully justify my abrasive attitude, there are damn few people that will actually look at the facts and face up to what they mean. I have not yet read any other posts tonight but I probably got an ear full along this topic.
Why is it that the brains of intelligent people turn to mush when it comes to religion?

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Message 213 of 247 (269750)
12-15-2005 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Faith
12-15-2005 1:52 AM


Re: not what I am telling you
Hello Faith,
Your personal attack does not deserve an answer.
You are right and I appologize.
I will post the questions without adornment and let them stand on their own. I will also edit out the offensive parts of my previous post.
Let us try this one simple question at a time.
Does god know all there is to know?
Can god do anything he wants to do?
Does god understand the ramifications of what he does?

Truth fears no question.
bkelly

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 214 of 247 (269752)
12-15-2005 6:51 PM
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12-15-2005 6:31 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
because they know that anything must be inherently intellectually dishonest because we DON'T know. therefore they get defensive because they know they're on shaky ground.

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bkelly
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Message 215 of 247 (269760)
12-15-2005 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by truthlover
12-15-2005 12:43 PM


Re: Science is not a prophet
truthlover writes:
I simply meant that scientists are the people that have the public's ear and trust. It's not a 100% trust, but prophets rarely had that, either.
Then it does seem that we agree in concept, but not in the definition of the word prophet. I went to Ask.com - What's Your Question? and specified "define prophet." In the first screen is
An authoritative person who divines the future - oracle , seer , vaticinator ...
That is how I see prophet. In terms of people's trust, I have mixed opinions as to how much scientists are trusted. No facts, just opinions.
Yes, purpledawn, I do see. Thanks.
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Faith 
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Message 216 of 247 (269761)
12-15-2005 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by bkelly
12-15-2005 6:47 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
Thank you very much for rewording your post. However, there is also the problem that it is off topic. {AbE: I did ask you to show its relevance and you haven't: Message 206. This thread is for truthlover's concerns about the current state of Christianity, not for the big questions about the nature of God.
The questions you are asking ARE big questions and in fact betray quite a bit of ignorance of the subject that would require a lot of discussion. If you would like to learn something about these things, I hope you will start a new topic for the purpose.
Faith.
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bkelly
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Message 217 of 247 (269763)
12-15-2005 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
12-15-2005 7:00 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
Faith,
Yes, I do get obnoxious from time to time. And I did consider being off topic. But as I noted to truthlover (I think) this does get to the fundamental concept of is christianity broken.
However, since several people noted, I will gather together my thoughts (not heavy thoughts, but rather scattered) and see if I can conjur up a good concise topic to debate this aspect. My position holds, but I will not pursue this aspect in this thread.
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robinrohan
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Message 218 of 247 (269766)
12-15-2005 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
12-15-2005 7:00 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
Thank you very much for rewording your post.
You do have a tendency to stir people up, don't you, Faith?
You crazy old woman!
Ha, ha, ha.

"And from water we made all living things."-- The Quran

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Message 219 of 247 (269828)
12-15-2005 10:05 PM
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12-15-2005 7:14 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
Musta stirred YOU up, huh, old man.

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Message 220 of 247 (269835)
12-15-2005 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
12-15-2005 10:05 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
Musta stirred YOU up, huh, old man.
Faith, you are bull-headed, but you do well as long as you stay away from TOE. Your science is execrable.
Quite a character, old Faith.

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Faith 
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Message 221 of 247 (269874)
12-16-2005 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by robinrohan
12-15-2005 10:30 PM


Re: not what I am telling you
You really like that word "execrable" don't you, old man? For someone who admits to knowing zip about science how do you know my science is "execrable?" The ToE is a massive delusion. People like you, who know little science but want to understand the ToE, should make a really big effort to trace the evidence for the evolutionist interpretation of any given piece of data or, say, fossil discovery. Work hard at it. Try to find the source of the data, how it was dated, etc. You will soon find yourself in a hall of mirrors with no end in sight. The ToE is a fabrication out of thin air. All the science that is mustered to justify it here, is good science in itself, but notice how it is USED, really think about how it is used, try to avoid being dazzled by the display of detailed knowledge -- it is ALL hypothetical. Creationists get answered here with science all the time, but what nobody notices is that the science is no more certain, and no less speculative than the creationists' science. It's all an amazing hoax in the end.
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robinrohan
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Message 222 of 247 (269880)
12-16-2005 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
12-16-2005 12:19 AM


Re: not what I am telling you
You really like that word "execrable" don't you, old man?
You read all my old posts, it seems, old woman. And did you read where I defended you? Where I gave them hell when you were gone?
For someone who admits to knowing zip about science how do you know my science is "execrable?"
I've been studying lately. I'm reading this book I've got. I'm real smart.
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Message 223 of 247 (269882)
12-16-2005 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by robinrohan
12-16-2005 12:39 AM


Re: not what I am telling you
Yes, thank you for defending me. I wouldn't say it rose to the level of hell you gave them -- or is that sank -- but it was a heartwarming effort, and it was appreciated.
What's the title of the book?
Really, I do think my suggestion is the way people should approach the ToE. Just read some report on some new discovery and notice the language it's described in. See if it actually tells you anything about the discovery or it's just a story you are forced to take on faith. Try to track down the particulars behind the story. Good luck.
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Message 224 of 247 (269883)
12-16-2005 12:58 AM
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12-16-2005 12:44 AM


Re: not what I am telling you
What's the title of the book?
"What Evolution is" by Ernst Mayr. I'm on page 126 at the moment. Haeckel's drawings are on page 28. I got hung up a little there.
Some of it I don't understand because of the big words.
So you read that stuff I wrote when I said they were unfairly picking on you?
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Message 225 of 247 (269884)
12-16-2005 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by robinrohan
12-16-2005 12:58 AM


big words?
Try me, I'm good at making up answers
You could put it in the book nook and ask for explanations of pieces.

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