Why Creationism

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So.. live for ever AND age or live for ever without ageing ?

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Does it matter? Either way, there was a clear risk that God wanted to avoid... Adam and Eve not dying. If they were already not going to die, then why would God have to prevent them from not dying?

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Shall we go with continuously eating it ? Or would you like to know if the tree of life only provides life to mortals and not immortals ?

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It doesn't say anything about providing life. It only says it causes the person who eats it to live for ever.Why do you keep making suppositions in addition to what's in the text?If it's fair game to make suppositions, does that mean that I can suppose that after the bible's all wrapped up, God adds "HA HA HA HA! SUCKERS!" without telling us?

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What if Adam and Eve again ate from the Tree of Knowlege. Would it have another effect on them ? Adam and Eve must have died in a way for the tree of life to 'give them life' no ?

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See above. The fruit, as it is stated in the text, says it would allow them to live for ever. It doesn't say a thing about giving life where there is none.So what's the risk if they already weren't going to die?

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You can indeed convince yourself that something is not evil and after a while, you might even believe that. But you're deceiving only yourself.

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I don't see why I would be deceiving myself. According to God, my knowledge of good and evil is the same as his. So what prevents my decisions on the subject from being as valid as his?

OK! According to your way of looking at things it is perfectly OK for the district attorney to swear out a warrant for the arrest of a person because "if given the chance to commit a crime that person would do so". Whoaaa!!!The thing here is that they would not be arrested until they commit it and thats what happened with adam and eve.We are borned sinners not biologically but spiritually. let me explain. we suffer from the desicion adam and eve made just like a kid who suffers from an abusive parent who is always drunk. The kid is innocent but he is suffering from the desicion his father made and in time it is most likely he will become an alchoholic and abusive himself. another thing here is that our nature as humans is to be selfish greedy,vain, and all those things. This comes from adam and eves sin. We can see this in little kids when they play among each other. they tend to always fight because they dont want to share their toys,candy, etc. and we the grown ups or at least the responsible ones are the ones who teach our kids the importance of sharing and helping your neighbor. God is the one that teaches us how to get the most out of life by establishing comandments. We break them, we pay justlike adam and eve did and probably will hurt people who had nothing to do with the situation. I guess this is just life

God was only concerned about Adam and Eve not dying AFTER they ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowlege and were to be expelled from the garden of Eden ! The text you are referring to occurs after they ate from the tree of Knowlege. When you eat from the tree of Knowlege, you die. Sin.

ZealotYou state Yet here it shows that God was concerned about them before they ate of the fruit.

"This leads to another big question about the bible in general... if immortality is the only thing that keeps us from being like God, then why aren't we able to disagree with his rules of morality and sin? According to his own words, we are like him as far as knowledge of good and evil goes. " Posted by Dan Carrollinmortality is not what separates us from God. Angels,Satan,Demons are also inmortal and are not God. God is all knowing, omnipresent(iseverywhere) and ominpotente(spanish for all powerful). Neither the angels Satan or the demons have this quality. Another thing, God can create anything from nothing. nobody else can do that. And believe me pal nothing comes from nothing. My little sister can prove that

Unless God was wrong, which is my point. God can only be made correct here if you're willing to twist language to match your preconceptions, and that's hardly a literal approach to the text, don't you think? Only if you're already committed to God never being wrong. If you're willing to entertain the notion that God could make a statement in error, or lie, then the text makes much more sense, and you don't have to twist the words. That's the third option that you don't list - God's statements are literally inaccurate.

That's "omnipotent", and it's from the Latin, yo. And yet, science proves you wrong. Stuff is always coming out of empty space, at every point, at every moment. Something from nothing happens all the time at the quantum level.

"This is requiring an awful lot of supposition in addition to the text, just for it to make linear sense." Posted by my pal Dan CarrollIs evolution any different?"We know good and evil just like God. This is from God's own lips. So why can't we make our own decisions as to what's good and what's evil? "We can tell good from evil like God but we cant always choose right like God can. God protects us from ourselves since most of our desicions are very bad ones. And besides we cant make our own choices as to what's good or bad in our opinion because we are not ours. God says that we are his property since he created us and this world no matter if you believe in him or not. One day when you die youll have to stand before his throne and give God an explanation to why you lived your life they way you did. We all will have to do that one day

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You post this Now explain to me where you derive these qualities of God from.Where do you see written down that god has these qualities? Do you know that these qualities are unsupportable in the real world?You also state Now how do you know that?Are you God's right hand man?He told you directly?And finally you have this We shall leave your sister out of this and have you prove it.I do hope you don't disappear never to be heard from again.

"That's "omnipotent", and it's from the Latin, yo."i dont know. Who gives a crap anyways?"And yet, science proves you wrong. Stuff is always coming out of empty space, at every point, at every moment. Something from nothing happens all the time at the quantum level."boy id love that to happen right now. I wish a gorgeous women would appear in that empty corner in my room. Energy can transform itself into mass. but energy cant be neither created nor destroyed. The energy in the universe is constant and it conserves itself. It had to be created.

Gosh, people who care about knowing stuff and not looking stupid, I guess. It may be largely constant, but over a very small scale, it fluctuates. This is a necessary outcome of the uncertainty principle.

jazzlover_PR Buddy you are the one who put the unsubstantiated claim forward.If you are unable of debating your claims why bother to post? Vey good now how does this show that nothing comes from nothing?Now I would ask you to answer this.Can God make something so heavy He cannot lift it? Can he make something so insubstantial that He cannot see it? Then tell me again that he is omnipotent.

Now explain to me where you derive these qualities of God from.Where do you see written down that god has these qualities? Do you know that these qualities are unsupportable in the real world?Ill have to look up the exact place where you can find it. its in the bible ive read it. for Christians. the world is divided in two the physical and the spiritual. These qualities are unsupportable in the one dimensional world you live in but when you have a direct relationship with God he starts to show you parts of the spiritual world. for example he shows you the angels and demons moving and carrying out their tsks here on earth. of course, if you dont believe in god youll never see this and thats why youll die living in this boring one dimensional world thinking that if you cant explain it it doesnt exist. The bible says that to the natural man(the non spiritual) the thigs of the spiritual world are crazyness to them which is your case exactly. but hey you just dont believe and i respect that choice."Now how do you know that?Are you God's right hand man?He told you directly?"i just simply believe it the way you believe in the big bang or whatever it is. Where you there when the big bang occured? How do you know it is true?"We shall leave your sister out of this and have you prove it."Prove to me it can happen. Burn a pice of wood and try doing the reverse. Or leave the ashes and maybe in a million years it will become a butterfly.

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of course, if you dont believe in god youll never see this and thats why youll die living in this boring one dimensional world thinking that if you cant explain it it doesnt exist.

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Please pardon me for being like this, but I have this nasty tendancy to believe in things because the evidence supports them, not because I'd like for them to be true.

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Prove to me it can happen. Burn a pice of wood and try doing the reverse. Or leave the ashes and maybe in a million years it will become a butterfly.

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Here's a question for you - please humor me on it. How old are you?------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

"Now I would ask you to answer this.Can God make something so heavy He cannot lift it? Can he make something so insubstantial that He cannot see it? Then tell me again that he is omnipotent. "This wont happen that is why he is omnipotent. He created this world you and everything else. He can do anything he wants thats why he is god