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Author Topic:   Logical Proof of Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound
RickJB
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Message 43 of 175 (471769)
06-18-2008 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by ypostelnik
06-17-2008 9:42 AM


yp writes:
But evolution’s not a fact. It’s a theory.
This quotation alone shows the depth of your iganorance about that which you claim to have cast-iron arguments against! If you are going to argue against any scientific theory then it would help if you knew exactly what constitutes a theory in science.
As has been pointed out at EvC countless times, the scientific use of the word theory is not equivalent to the layman's use of the term. In science an operating theory basically refers to a group of hypotheses that are both well supported with evidence and useful for making accurate predictions. All science is based on theories.
Both electromagnetism and gravitation are theories and the phenomena that they seek to explain are a fact.
Evolution is, therefore, both a theory and a fact - is has a hypothesis based on evidence and it can be observed in reality.
yp writes:
And it’s one that mandates that life started from non-life, which is unattainable.
This is not what evolution claims at all. Abiogenesis forms a separate, though clearly related, field.

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RickJB
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Message 45 of 175 (471785)
06-18-2008 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by ramoss
06-18-2008 8:12 AM


ramoss writes:
YP does think that life from non-life is obtainable. He just thinks it is God that did it.
Good point!

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RickJB
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Message 57 of 175 (472058)
06-20-2008 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by ypostelnik
06-20-2008 2:07 AM


yp writes:
Actually it shows your total ignorance. Scientific theory is based on observation but is often in no way definitive. In this case I can send you hundreds of scientists who do not subscribe to the theory for very valid grounds. When evoltnsts/creationsts debate the creation usually wins, hence the lack of such debates. Just look at the tactics of some posters here to stifle clear debate (twisting, etc.).
Rather than trade insults let's just cut to the chase, tell me the hypotheses that exist for the following:-
1. Who did the design?
2. What are the processes involved in this type of design?
3. What hard physical evidence demonstrates this design process? (I'm not talking about an argument from incredulity that talks vaguely about odds and randomness, rather, I want to know where I can observe the creator's fingerprints.)
Now, when I say "evidence" I do not mean criticism of the Theory of Evolution. By "evidence" I mean original observations that underpin a design hypothesis that does not rely on the ToE.
I await your reply.

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RickJB
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Message 75 of 175 (472837)
06-25-2008 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by ypostelnik
06-24-2008 4:46 PM


Re: All
That's all very nice YP, but do you have any answers to my questions in message 57?

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