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Author Topic:   Logical Proof of Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound
Dawn Bertot
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Message 144 of 175 (488640)
11-13-2008 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by onifre
11-11-2008 6:39 PM


Onifre (Sherly Mclain) writes:
I was trying DMT(Dimethyltryptamine ), I had an out of body experience where I could literally look back at myself and view myself as if it was reality. I mean absolutely no difference than me staring at my laptop right now. Reality as anyone would describe it. I was however, able to levitate off the ground and go around me sitting in a chair, remember as if it were reality, and I walked around the house I was in, which was my first time in that house and yet I knew where to go throughout the house. When I came to I was able to describe the house perfectly, we were writing everything down, in detail.
LOL. As I suspected in my discourses with you, your are one tripped out freaky dude Homespun. The day tripper. So when you came to, you were just in the same reality of being passed out as when you started, correct? And how do we corroborate any of these other assertions other than your testimony. Were you drunk before you got to this party and forgot that you had traversed the house to possibly to take a wiz bang, eh?
D Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 152 of 175 (489226)
11-25-2008 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by onifre
11-24-2008 12:21 PM


Re: Entheogens
Onfrie writes'
I can think of many, many other things that are dumber. Like voting for Bush twice, how many made that mistake? How many deaths throughout the world has that caused? Putting things into perspective maybe a better approach for you than just assuming drugs are bad.
So stopping mad men like the Butcher of Baghdad (ofcourse thats all an illusion and misrepresentation as well correct)should be left undone as it might result in the deaths of Americans verses the torture, rape, mutilation, dismemberment and other crimes against others. It is truely amazing how blind liberals like yourself are to the real world. You live in the protection of others sacrifice, then complain about thier methods and gifts. Pathetic.
Bush is probably the last hope that we had against aggression. Or we can just stick our heads in the ground and pretend it doesnt really exist, correct.
Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 155 of 175 (489322)
11-26-2008 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by onifre
11-25-2008 1:55 PM


Re: Entheogens
Onfrie writes:
Do you enjoy spouting out cliche bullshit? Do you have any opinions that you've formulated on your own or do you just repeat crap you hear on tv?
Isnt it interesting, that I have never seen that movie which you speak of, not that I havent heard of it or the line, but it was a thought which came to my mind as I watched the crapola which you yak about. The only thing I was really aware of was, "You cant handle the truth", that I do remember from others. Most liberals want to enjoy the protection they live in and complain about the people (Bush) that only have thier best interest in heart.
Every opinion that I formulate is my own. I have been instructed well enough to know that you should not make assertions that you cannot defend. Up to this point, I have done just that.
It must just be that, the idea that people complaining about the freedom they have by means of degrading the sacrifieces and leaders, is just not common sense. So put your movie back on the shelf, I dont need it, but Im sure its a good one. I might even watch it now.
No, your right, what we should do is just attack at will. We should just give any president full right to do whatever he pleases and bomb any and all countries that he says is a threat. You should just turn on the tv and listen, pay attention and do as you're told. Don't form any of your own opinions, don't try to ask any questions, leave the responsible people to decide your future and the path your life should take for you. Just sit there and be a well behaved sheep
The well behaved sheep actually exercised thier right to think when they elect the President, congress, House ans Senate, so this part of your statement is nonsense. The well behaved sheep of the past understood checks and balances, which estalished this system, its not perfect but better than dictatorship. Our leaders have information that is not privy to you and I and make decisions based on that information to the PROTECTION and interest of my self and YES even individuals like you that dont really deserve it.
Heres and idea if you want to complain (Dathan) about all these matters then run for office, get elected and make changes. In the mean time junior atleast try and find some support for the leaders you chose and quit admittedly breaking laws with your pot and illegal drugs. Oh yeah thats right, it wasnt a Party, it was a controlled burn. It wasnt a party the same way pornography is art and not filth, correct?
Now dont get mad and no apologies are necessary, just respond with a rational argument, because we are all adults here. Besides this Admin will kick our butts if it looks like we are taking shots at eachother. I had fully expected Jaywill and ICANT my spiritual betters to already have gotten after me, but I suppose they are just to polite to do even that, men of a better character and all that and they certainly are.
D Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 156 of 175 (489326)
11-26-2008 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by obvious Child
11-25-2008 9:43 PM


Re: Entheogens
The OC writes:
Uh..yes? We are not the world's police man. Furthermore, if we applied your logic, we'd have to invade Russia, China and most of Africa not to mention most Middle Eastern countries. Furthermore, Saddam wasn't a threat to us. And removing him has allowed Iran to become the regional powerhouse. How is that beneficial for us?
Unfortunately you are correct, it is not consistent to take care of situations in some instances then not others. However, the countries you mention do not carry thier insanity past thier boarders like the terrorists of the middle east. Again, the terrorist have demonstrated that they have a hatred for this country that is relentless and unswerving. Our leaders, especially Bush understood this principle better than most and he was willing to do something about it. Now, admittedly, I am not a Parent with a child there and so it is easy for me to spout off my opinions. I do question a sustained engagemnet in places that really show no signs of changing or when you leave they will return to the same behavior as before. However, I suspect that as always we will remain there in some capacity,as is always the case once we get our foot in the door. Observation without occupation. My idea of a glass highway, has just not caught on yet.
Its not clear whether these people support the terrorism or that they just cant control it once you leave. Either way I agree with the "W", "there are some people that think you can reason with these terrorists, Im not one of them", and ofcourse he is correct.
I like how you called him a liberal yet you favor an interventionist foreign policy, which is inherently liberal
Ill let you explain that statement, I have no idea what you mean. Even a person such as yourself can understand prtection and defense of others in hostile situations, correct?
Interesting how you say that since Bush and Co effectively went in blind to how the Middle East works and ignored all advice to the contrary. Real world you say?
Again, you can pretend that you have more information that the President, but you do not. I am certainly not saying that every decision is based on all knowledge and always the best, however, if one cannot see that the terrorost groups are not a serious threat after all they have accomplished nad would have accomplished otherwise, you really do have your head in the sand. When Korea extends its threat beyond its borders we all pay attention and respond.
One does not go in blind to destroy a mad dog if you know it is a mad dog, regardless of the surrounding situation or political climate. Sometimes you have to take care of problems, regarless of the Frech leaders advise, ha ha.
Iraq was going to attack us?
With what?
Wow, Im glad your not one of our leaders, you really have had your head in the sand for the past 60 years. Does 911 ring a bell? Unfortunately thier methos of attack are more affective than a frontal assault, its called surprise and terroist acts. Also, if they are allowed to get and employ a device, rest assured at some point they will employ it as well.
Thank heaven for the operatives and others behind the scenes, workin to prevent this from happening. But you enjoy your freedom and go on complaning about the process, because I suppose its there for you as well.
Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 158 of 175 (489329)
11-26-2008 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Huntard
11-26-2008 10:08 AM


Re: Entheogens
Huntard writes
Iraq was invovled in 911? Would you do the world a favour and disclose the information you have that proeves this?
Lets take a guess at who the likely suspects are in this situation. Since as I said before, its is not clear in these areas always who the culprets are, the most likely suspects would be those that support and harbor terrorists and advance thier aggression twords other countries to control regions and the such like. Were there other countries in this area that supported and backed these terrorist acts, ofcourse. But I hardly think, inactivity and speculation would be the course of action.
The best we can do is trust that our leaders have the coreect information provided by the sources they employ. Now since it has not been proven to the contrary in this instance, it would seem that those actions were justified and correct.
Ouestion. Do you really believe that all the terrorists we capture and all the intelligence information we gather is faulty or incorrect? Not that they wont respond again, but there is no telling how much these actions have stopped and prevented other actions to the contrary.
Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 163 of 175 (489437)
11-27-2008 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by onifre
11-26-2008 11:38 AM


Re: Entheogens
Onfrie writes:
I don't recognize the leadership of this country, don't try to present it to me as some moral institution that merits respect. It is a corrupt system lead by wealthy corporations, its not the type of leadership this country was originally constructed to have. But, it's funny that you say I should support it, because I joined the service after highschool to do just that. However, my job was not to defend the government, my job was to defend the citizens of this country. The government however, decides to uses the bodies of fit young men and women to defend it's actions, which is wrong in every sense of the way, thus the reason I choose to leave the service, and currently don't respect the government in power.
So the early government and leadership that formed this country you agree with? Would that be the one that formed it from Biblical and spiritual principles? My guess is that if you lived in those times you would be playing the same word games with those fellows that you are now. Your in love with idea of disagreeing with any and everything you can, more than you are interested in objectivity or that which is just or unjust. You would respect no government, no matter its postions or principles.
It's nice to the the programing of American minds actually work. You are a poster child for the system of persuasion. But, hey, thats your option, right? Just go back to sleep, your government is control.
Your not a poster child, your just a child that throws a tantrum until you get your way. If you dont happen to get your way, you just resist everything and get it your own way. As I stated before, with liberals its not about what is right or wrong, just or unjust, just about your agendas. If the government says pot is illegal and a crime, you simply ignore them and do it anyway.
Apologies...? For what?
No, what I said was a provide a rational argument and reason for your willful disobedence to govenmental rules and guidelines.
D Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 164 of 175 (489440)
11-27-2008 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by obvious Child
11-26-2008 2:13 PM


Re: Entheogens
OC writes:
Just because terrorists are out to get us doesn't mean we should have invaded Iraq. Especially since Iraq was an obstacle to Iran who openly funds, trains and otherwise supports terrorists.
Iraq, which posed no threat to the US and had terror operations only to extent of making payments to palestianian suicide bombers who were going to blow themselves up anyways was hardly a candidate for a necessary invasion. Iraq was however, a severely liberal foreign intervention.
While so many countries pose no direct threat to the US, unfortunately its leader was a known supporter of terroism and a harbinger of those same terrorists.
Only a fool would not recognize the reduction in these incidents by terrorists, since Bushes actions and sustained activity. Trying to make a distinction in these countries as to who is or is not involved is simply ludicrous. All of the countries which you and other mention are extremist, in some form or fashion.
If Mr Bush was so misinformed, how did we kill, catch and detain so many of the architechs of these terrorist groups. The point is that no matter how much is done to stem the tide, you will still just keep crying Foul. Thank God leaders like Mr Bush ignore your razor sharp politcal insights, that would keep the terrorists in business.
Now that is amusing. Bush and Co got all kinds of warnings from experts regarding cultural norms, societal norms and things they SHOULD have done in planning. They ignored it all. Furthermore, Iraq was never a big terror supporter unlike its neighbors Iran and Saudi Arabia where 15 of the 19 hijackers were from and where huge amounts of money still flow to terrorists. Furthermore, Saddam was a secular ruler.
Iraq was not a threat.
Only a fool would belive this kind of nonsense.
Since Mr Bush and co were so unsucsessful, please tell us your plan that would allow us to deal with these terrorists. Perhaps some more middle east peace talks, or embargos would shut them down. Maybe we could bomb a few vacated warehouse. Or perhaps we could just ignore them and hope everything turns out alright, the usual democrate method. Terrrorist actually count on simplistic passive individuals such as yourself.
D Bertot
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