Logical Proof of Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

What was your doctor's conclusion?

Hi, Greatest I Am. Then, what would He eat? I'm a Mormon: my entire religion centers around the hope that I will be a god in my next life. So, you and I are actually in agreement here.

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-BluejayDarwin loves you.

Good. I like agreement.God does not eat by the way.Do you expect that when God, you will use miracles.It is my view that if God has them and does not use them then He is acting in an immoral way by letting His children starve to death.Would I be right?Regards
DL

Old prophets were venerated and wrote scripture. New prophets are at best insane. Good view. Not.Regards
DL

You're the one who said God views animals as "meat."----- Isn't that the topic of your other thread? Did that thread get lost in the Great Disk Space Disaster of 2008? At any rate, I'll not respond to it here.

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So, what was your doctor's conclusion?

Story? Or a discription of my experience?If its a story you want, I don't have it, but I can describe what happened, without going too off topic.I was trying DMT(Dimethyltryptamine ), I had an out of body experience where I could literally look back at myself and view myself as if it was reality. I mean absolutely no difference than me staring at my laptop right now. Reality as anyone would describe it. I was however, able to levitate off the ground and go around me sitting in a chair, remember as if it were reality, and I walked around the house I was in, which was my first time in that house and yet I knew where to go throughout the house. When I came to I was able to describe the house perfectly, we were writing everything down, in detail.Since then I have had a few dreams where I've been able to do the same thing. Twice was in a hotel and I stilll knew where to go when I walked. No drugs. Total 5 times, including the DMT experience.No God, no nothing.If my brain has that type of power, to create that type of reality or perseption of reality, then it can create gods, heavens, afterlives, etc, etc. It's how you view it subjectively that is the problem. Once you start to believe that these alternate realities are real, you are not viewing it objectively and lose credibility in having evidence for that reality. At that point it can be taken as a figment of your reality, but not necessarily the true reality.But, then again, what is the true reality? If we just experience this reality subjectively then reality is a subjective thing. So, I guess whatever you want to conclude that your reality is IS real, for you. So enjoy.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

(Apologies for delay in replying to this)I'm an Atheist. That's because it is. And that's what makes it religion. Most religious viewpoints, regardless of what the people exposing you will claim, are not based on scripture. Nor does basing it on scripture help you any; a casual glance at history should convince you that there are a whole range of (often contradictory) positions supportable by biblical reference, for example.

Onifre (Sherly Mclain) writes:LOL. As I suspected in my discourses with you, your are one tripped out freaky dude Homespun. The day tripper. So when you came to, you were just in the same reality of being passed out as when you started, correct? And how do we corroborate any of these other assertions other than your testimony. Were you drunk before you got to this party and forgot that you had traversed the house to possibly to take a wiz bang, eh?D Bertot Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.

Hi Bertot, Really, thanks, I thought of myself as pretty boring for the most part. You may have a misconception about me though. The experience described above was not some "crazy party", it was a weekend meditation retreat that ended with(optional) a DMT trip. It was supposed to be a test of what you learned throughout the weekend about meditation, and about controling dreams and your imagination. Thats my whole point, we can't, nor can we accept anybody elses assertions when it comes to experiences in which they believe they spoke to, what they describe to be, God. I leave that kind of behavior to frat-guys. The type of behaviour you are describing gives drugs, and experienced users, a bad name. Extacy(MDMA ) was prescribed by marraige councelors, untill, young repressed idoits started to abuse it as a form of rebellion from, probably, conservative up-tight Christian parents or just plain ole overly conservative parents, and now the drug not the idiodic abuser is considered bad. I don't condon that type of adolencent behaviour, nor do I associate with that type of user. I recognize that drugs can be quite harmful, but in the hands of experienced, responsable users, it can be a very unique and wonderful experience into a new reality...if just for a little while.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Entheogens have a long history in human cultures.R. Gordon Wasson theorized that the Amanita muscaria was the Soma of ancient Hindu literature, and certainly that shroom has a long history in early human society.John M. Allegro even theorized that it was used in early Christianity in his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross (of which I have a wonderful first edition in mint condition). Allegro was one of the early translators of the Dead Sea Scrolls, so he wasn't entirely unqualified in that field. (His book met with a somewhat poor reception in some quarters, however.)

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Hi Coyote, I have read and enjoyed that book very much. Take care of that early edition. Pretty cool. Just as medicinal marijuana, or extacy for counceling, or shrooms for neuro-problems, is meet with poor reception. People hear someone takes drugs and they make the same mistake Bertot did, which is to assume that it was done in a abusive way.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Allegro had a very solid academic reputation up until that little book.

onfire,If you are experimenting wih drugs you would be well advized not to. You could end up dead. You could end up insane.For one that guy who gives you the drugs (probably sells them), may only care about making a fast buck. He tells you that this pill is thus and such. You don't know that. You really don't know what you are putting into your head. He gets the cash and the rest of the responsibility is on you whether you flip or die in the experiment.Poping a mind altering pill or mushroom recreationally is one of the dumber things a person can do in life these days.Yes, I have known people to die. Yes, I have known people to damage their minds. I mean like ... personally ? Please be careful. Prayer and opening one's heart to Jesus Christ is infinitely superior to psychodelic trip.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Or Christian.