Logical Proof of Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

Hi jaywill, Thanks for the advise.However, I doubt very much that pot will kill me or make me insane...maybe fat and lazy but certainly not dead. This isn't the Matrix, furthermore, you place more faith in what your government tells you about prescription drugs?How about you do a bit of research, find out how many deaths due to legally prescribed drugs there are versus marijuana. You may be shocked at the outcome. I can think of many, many other things that are dumber. Like voting for Bush twice, how many made that mistake? How many deaths throughout the world has that caused? Putting things into perspective maybe a better approach for you than just assuming drugs are bad.There are many things that are bad, drugs fall way down on the importance ladder, IMO. Then you sir have never had a psychodelic trip lol.Again, thanks for the advise.Oni

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Onfrie writes'So stopping mad men like the Butcher of Baghdad (ofcourse thats all an illusion and misrepresentation as well correct)should be left undone as it might result in the deaths of Americans verses the torture, rape, mutilation, dismemberment and other crimes against others. It is truely amazing how blind liberals like yourself are to the real world. You live in the protection of others sacrifice, then complain about thier methods and gifts. Pathetic.Bush is probably the last hope that we had against aggression. Or we can just stick our heads in the ground and pretend it doesnt really exist, correct.Bertot

Do you enjoy spouting out cliche bullshit? Do you have any opinions that you've formulated on your own or do you just repeat crap you hear on tv?Who said I was a liberal? Better yet, what is a liberal*?Do you mean liberal as described by FoxNews, or as described by other media sources? Whats pathetic is that you stole this statement from the movie A Few Good Men. Jack Nicholson did a better job at delivering that line by the way...man, you really are one pathetic puppet. No, your right, what we should do is just attack at will. We should just give any president full right to do whatever he pleases and bomb any and all countries that he says is a threat. You should just turn on the tv and listen, pay attention and do as you're told. Don't form any of your own opinions, don't try to ask any questions, leave the responsible people to decide your future and the path your life should take for you. Just sit there and be a well behaved sheep.Or, you can just stick your head in a hole and pretend they're not really trying to do that to you.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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So stopping mad men like the Butcher of Baghdad (ofcourse thats all an illusion and misrepresentation as well correct)should be left undone as it might result in the deaths of Americans verses the torture, rape, mutilation, dismemberment and other crimes against others.

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Uh..yes? We are not the world's police man. Furthermore, if we applied your logic, we'd have to invade Russia, China and most of Africa not to mention most Middle Eastern countries. Furthermore, Saddam wasn't a threat to us. And removing him has allowed Iran to become the regional powerhouse. How is that beneficial for us?I like how you called him a liberal yet you favor an interventionist foreign policy, which is inherently liberal.

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It is truely amazing how blind liberals like yourself are to the real world.

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Interesting how you say that since Bush and Co effectively went in blind to how the Middle East works and ignored all advice to the contrary. Real world you say?

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Bush is probably the last hope that we had against aggression.

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Iraq was going to attack us?With what? Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.

Onfrie writes: Isnt it interesting, that I have never seen that movie which you speak of, not that I havent heard of it or the line, but it was a thought which came to my mind as I watched the crapola which you yak about. The only thing I was really aware of was, "You cant handle the truth", that I do remember from others. Most liberals want to enjoy the protection they live in and complain about the people (Bush) that only have thier best interest in heart.Every opinion that I formulate is my own. I have been instructed well enough to know that you should not make assertions that you cannot defend. Up to this point, I have done just that.It must just be that, the idea that people complaining about the freedom they have by means of degrading the sacrifieces and leaders, is just not common sense. So put your movie back on the shelf, I dont need it, but Im sure its a good one. I might even watch it now. The well behaved sheep actually exercised thier right to think when they elect the President, congress, House ans Senate, so this part of your statement is nonsense. The well behaved sheep of the past understood checks and balances, which estalished this system, its not perfect but better than dictatorship. Our leaders have information that is not privy to you and I and make decisions based on that information to the PROTECTION and interest of my self and YES even individuals like you that dont really deserve it.Heres and idea if you want to complain (Dathan) about all these matters then run for office, get elected and make changes. In the mean time junior atleast try and find some support for the leaders you chose and quit admittedly breaking laws with your pot and illegal drugs. Oh yeah thats right, it wasnt a Party, it was a controlled burn. It wasnt a party the same way pornography is art and not filth, correct?
Now dont get mad and no apologies are necessary, just respond with a rational argument, because we are all adults here. Besides this Admin will kick our butts if it looks like we are taking shots at eachother. I had fully expected Jaywill and ICANT my spiritual betters to already have gotten after me, but I suppose they are just to polite to do even that, men of a better character and all that and they certainly are.D Bertot

The OC writes:Unfortunately you are correct, it is not consistent to take care of situations in some instances then not others. However, the countries you mention do not carry thier insanity past thier boarders like the terrorists of the middle east. Again, the terrorist have demonstrated that they have a hatred for this country that is relentless and unswerving. Our leaders, especially Bush understood this principle better than most and he was willing to do something about it. Now, admittedly, I am not a Parent with a child there and so it is easy for me to spout off my opinions. I do question a sustained engagemnet in places that really show no signs of changing or when you leave they will return to the same behavior as before. However, I suspect that as always we will remain there in some capacity,as is always the case once we get our foot in the door. Observation without occupation. My idea of a glass highway, has just not caught on yet.
Its not clear whether these people support the terrorism or that they just cant control it once you leave. Either way I agree with the "W", "there are some people that think you can reason with these terrorists, Im not one of them", and ofcourse he is correct. Ill let you explain that statement, I have no idea what you mean. Even a person such as yourself can understand prtection and defense of others in hostile situations, correct? Again, you can pretend that you have more information that the President, but you do not. I am certainly not saying that every decision is based on all knowledge and always the best, however, if one cannot see that the terrorost groups are not a serious threat after all they have accomplished nad would have accomplished otherwise, you really do have your head in the sand. When Korea extends its threat beyond its borders we all pay attention and respond.One does not go in blind to destroy a mad dog if you know it is a mad dog, regardless of the surrounding situation or political climate. Sometimes you have to take care of problems, regarless of the Frech leaders advise, ha ha. Wow, Im glad your not one of our leaders, you really have had your head in the sand for the past 60 years. Does 911 ring a bell? Unfortunately thier methos of attack are more affective than a frontal assault, its called surprise and terroist acts. Also, if they are allowed to get and employ a device, rest assured at some point they will employ it as well.
Thank heaven for the operatives and others behind the scenes, workin to prevent this from happening. But you enjoy your freedom and go on complaning about the process, because I suppose its there for you as well.Bertot

Iraq was invovled in 911? Would you do the world a favour and disclose the information you have that proeves this?

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Huntard writesLets take a guess at who the likely suspects are in this situation. Since as I said before, its is not clear in these areas always who the culprets are, the most likely suspects would be those that support and harbor terrorists and advance thier aggression twords other countries to control regions and the such like. Were there other countries in this area that supported and backed these terrorist acts, ofcourse. But I hardly think, inactivity and speculation would be the course of action.The best we can do is trust that our leaders have the coreect information provided by the sources they employ. Now since it has not been proven to the contrary in this instance, it would seem that those actions were justified and correct.Ouestion. Do you really believe that all the terrorists we capture and all the intelligence information we gather is faulty or incorrect? Not that they wont respond again, but there is no telling how much these actions have stopped and prevented other actions to the contrary.Bertot

Hi Bertote, It's nice to the the programing of American minds actually work. You are a poster child for the system of persuasion. But, hey, thats your option, right? Just go back to sleep, your government is control. A well behaved sheep is a well behaved sheep, don't try and spin it another way. You march to the beat of one drum and follow the opinions of others. But, again, if thats what you prefer, then enjoy. I don't recognize the leadership of this country, don't try to present it to me as some moral institution that merits respect. It is a corrupt system lead by wealthy corporations, its not the type of leadership this country was originally constructed to have. But, it's funny that you say I should support it, because I joined the service after highschool to do just that. However, my job was not to defend the government, my job was to defend the citizens of this country. The government however, decides to uses the bodies of fit young men and women to defend it's actions, which is wrong in every sense of the way, thus the reason I choose to leave the service, and currently don't respect the government in power. Pornography is art and not filth the same way every commercial on tv that objectifies women is considered art and not filth. Lets not be hypocritical. If Pepsi can sell a soda with half naked women on a commercial during the Super Bowl, the porn industry can do as they please since they don't advertise their product to children. Apologies...? For what?

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

why guess when we have evidence pointing to the culprits? So, the FBI got it wrong when they pointed to Al-Qaeda? And Saddam Hussain did this? Ok, Iraq did this. But guess what, so did America. Yes, Pakistan comes to mind, or Saudi Arabia. I never said it was, but there is nothing pointing to Iraq, absolutely nothing. Even when there are various experts who say they are wrong? We are to ignore them and trust our government blidly? It has not been proven to the contrary that Bush didn't orchestrate 911 himself. Should we murder Bush? (Note, I'm not saying he did, just that something that has not been proven not to have done something is a pretty lousy strategy) No, I never said it was. You asserted Saddam had something to do with 911, I asked for evidence of this, since I have heard of no such evidence. Or inspired people to take even more actions against you....

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Just because terrorists are out to get us doesn't mean we should have invaded Iraq. Especially since Iraq was an obstacle to Iran who openly funds, trains and otherwise supports terrorists.

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Ill let you explain that statement, I have no idea what you mean. Even a person such as yourself can understand prtection and defense of others in hostile situations, correct?

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Iraq, which posed no threat to the US and had terror operations only to extent of making payments to palestianian suicide bombers who were going to blow themselves up anyways was hardly a candidate for a necessary invasion. Iraq was however, a severely liberal foreign intervention.

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Again, you can pretend that you have more information that the President, but you do not. I am certainly not saying that every decision is based on all knowledge and always the best, however, if one cannot see that the terrorost groups are not a serious threat after all they have accomplished nad would have accomplished otherwise, you really do have your head in the sand. When Korea extends its threat beyond its borders we all pay attention and respond.

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One does not go in blind to destroy a mad dog if you know it is a mad dog, regardless of the surrounding situation or political climate. Sometimes you have to take care of problems, regarless of the Frech leaders advise, ha ha.

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Now that is amusing. Bush and Co got all kinds of warnings from experts regarding cultural norms, societal norms and things they SHOULD have done in planning. They ignored it all. Furthermore, Iraq was never a big terror supporter unlike its neighbors Iran and Saudi Arabia where 15 of the 19 hijackers were from and where huge amounts of money still flow to terrorists. Furthermore, Saddam was a secular ruler.Iraq was not a threat.I find it incredibly amusing that you think that Iraq was behind 9/11 despite Congressional investigations and even DUBYA admitting it was not related.But belief what you wish to suit your massive delusions.

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Lets take a guess at who the likely suspects are in this situation.

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Explain to me why Saddam would help Bin Laden, the person who called for Saddam head, and twice tried to have him assassinated. Why would he RISK his own safety in working with people who he KNOWS want him dead? For someone who rabidly paranoid as Saddam, your argument is delusional.Please report the information you have saying that Iraq was involved in 9/11

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"No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th"

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- President BushBush: No Iraq link to 9/11 found

Onfrie writes:So the early government and leadership that formed this country you agree with? Would that be the one that formed it from Biblical and spiritual principles? My guess is that if you lived in those times you would be playing the same word games with those fellows that you are now. Your in love with idea of disagreeing with any and everything you can, more than you are interested in objectivity or that which is just or unjust. You would respect no government, no matter its postions or principles. Your not a poster child, your just a child that throws a tantrum until you get your way. If you dont happen to get your way, you just resist everything and get it your own way. As I stated before, with liberals its not about what is right or wrong, just or unjust, just about your agendas. If the government says pot is illegal and a crime, you simply ignore them and do it anyway. No, what I said was a provide a rational argument and reason for your willful disobedence to govenmental rules and guidelines.D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.

OC writes:While so many countries pose no direct threat to the US, unfortunately its leader was a known supporter of terroism and a harbinger of those same terrorists.Only a fool would not recognize the reduction in these incidents by terrorists, since Bushes actions and sustained activity. Trying to make a distinction in these countries as to who is or is not involved is simply ludicrous. All of the countries which you and other mention are extremist, in some form or fashion.If Mr Bush was so misinformed, how did we kill, catch and detain so many of the architechs of these terrorist groups. The point is that no matter how much is done to stem the tide, you will still just keep crying Foul. Thank God leaders like Mr Bush ignore your razor sharp politcal insights, that would keep the terrorists in business. Only a fool would belive this kind of nonsense.Since Mr Bush and co were so unsucsessful, please tell us your plan that would allow us to deal with these terrorists. Perhaps some more middle east peace talks, or embargos would shut them down. Maybe we could bomb a few vacated warehouse. Or perhaps we could just ignore them and hope everything turns out alright, the usual democrate method. Terrrorist actually count on simplistic passive individuals such as yourself.D Bertot Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.

So then why have we not attacked:North Korea
Cuba
IranThese places are terrorist manufacturing plants

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969