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Hawkins
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Message 186 of 349 (672383)
09-07-2012 3:15 PM


"I took a bus home yesterday".
It is true. I know it. So do you guys mean that it can't be true because that it is not evident to you?

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Hawkins
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Message 188 of 349 (672387)
09-07-2012 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Tangle
09-07-2012 3:27 PM


Buses exist and people take them, so I feel able to believe you. But if you'd said you rode home on dragonback, I'd ask for more evidence.
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By the assumption that I truly rode one but later it flied away. Then the truth suddenly will not be the truth simply because it's not evident?

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Hawkins
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Message 191 of 349 (673298)
09-18-2012 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Tangle
09-07-2012 3:57 PM


Neither are necessarily the truth just because you say it.
But the bus is rather more believable than the dragon, don't you think? For me to believe that you rode a dragon, I would first - and at the very least - need to have proof that dragons actually exist, because I don't think that they do and can find no objective evidence of them. In short, I'd be a fool to believe you.
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You completely miss the point. There's kind of truth which is completely not evident to humans. For an example, the existence of black holes is completely not evident to humans in stone age. For this kind of truth (which is not evident to humans), how will you be able to spread the message that you encountered one (by the assumption that it is true that you encountered one)?
From a backward deductive perspective, the best you can do is to,
1) write a book about it to tell humans what happened
2) martyr yourself as a witnessing that it is true
That's already the best you can do, whether humans believe or not is a matter of their own decision.
Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.

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Hawkins
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Message 194 of 349 (673318)
09-18-2012 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by ringo
09-18-2012 2:54 PM


That's pretty much what evidence means, yes. If you can't show it to somebody else, it isn't evidence and you can't convince them that your claim is "true".
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You mean human history can't convince anyone? Or do you mean that the 1/3 humans as believers are not humans?
That seems to be the reality you can't face.
Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.

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Hawkins
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Message 196 of 349 (673327)
09-18-2012 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by ringo
09-18-2012 3:05 PM


History is what can be verified with evidence.
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Do you accept the fact the most of them can't? Among the 5000 written history of over 1000 nations, how much of them is evidenced?

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Hawkins
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Message 198 of 349 (673333)
09-18-2012 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Theodoric
09-18-2012 3:22 PM


Re: WOW!!!
WTF does this even mean?
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Leave it there for those who understood to read, if it's out of your comprehension.
Basically there is up to 5000 years of human history, and they can be from the currently more than 1000 nations on earth!
Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.
Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.

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Hawkins
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Message 201 of 349 (673348)
09-18-2012 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Theodoric
09-18-2012 3:43 PM


Re: WOW!!!
How do you get to 5000 years of history? Writing goes back 6000 years and possibly to 8000 years ago.
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Your stupidity is fully shown here. Do I need to know exactly how long history is in order to make the point that our history is long enough of which most of them is not evidenced?
In fact the longer the history than 5000 years, the better it supports my argument. Moreover, 5000 years of human WRITTEN history is common saying or consensus, before that nothing or few things are in the written form.
Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.
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Hawkins
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Message 204 of 349 (673364)
09-18-2012 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Theodoric
09-18-2012 4:18 PM


Re: WOW!!!
Still trying to determine what you are actually trying to say.
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As I suggested, if you don't understand, you don't need to make a reply. Those who understand will reply.

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Hawkins
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Message 207 of 349 (673374)
09-18-2012 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Kairyu
09-18-2012 4:45 PM


Re: WOW!!!
It's pointless to attack English grammar unless you got nothing else to say. As it's proven that I keep discussion with others without problems.

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Hawkins
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Posts: 150
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Message 208 of 349 (673375)
09-18-2012 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Theodoric
09-18-2012 4:45 PM


Re: WOW!!!
1000 nations?
Absence of evidence?
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1000 nations is a rough estimation of countries currently here on earth. I don't need to make it more precise to make a valid point out of this number. Got that?

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Hawkins
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Message 210 of 349 (673379)
09-18-2012 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Theodoric
09-18-2012 4:53 PM


Re: WOW!!!
But there is no assumption that God doesn't exist
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It's an insignificant figure in the discussion, why do you have to make it precise? To distract the discussion? Why don't you just provide a more precise figure if you could, i won't resist your correction in this case as this contributes nothing to the point I made.
Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.

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