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Author Topic:   Can the Christian God exist without the Bible?
Ben!
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Message 5 of 106 (245306)
09-20-2005 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
09-20-2005 3:27 PM


From a human's perspective
When approaching PB's question as a simple question of "absolute" existence, I think jar and brennakimi are right on. Since I believe humans have no access to this type of knowledge of the absolute, however, I think the question, and the answer, are meaningless. Further, looking at PB's OP, he says
The absolute Creator Who is knowable
So I want to ask the question again, but from the angle of what is knowable; i.e. from the angle of the human perspective.
Revised question: Can the Christian God be known, in all meanings of the word (i.e. experience in 'meeting' God, in knowing all about God, in knowing what God expects of you, etc), without the Bible?
PB, feel free to let me know if this is far from what you're getting at, and if you think it leads away from the questions and answers you're looking for here.
Ben
AbE: changed subtitle
This message has been edited by Ben, Tuesday, 2005/09/20 03:48 PM

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Ben!
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Posts: 1161
From: Hayward, CA
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Message 20 of 106 (245493)
09-21-2005 1:48 PM
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09-21-2005 1:23 PM


Re: Judging GOD?
if we could handle the humility.
This "humility" is really confusing to me. Can you explain it a bit more?
On another thread schraf is accusing Faith of NOT being humble or having humility, because Faith sees humans as inherently special and different from other creatures. Schraf is saying that humans are basically no different; maybe the features are the same, but the overarching mechanisms of how things work and behaviors are the same.
How is your meaning of "humility" the same or different from that meaning?
I couldn't catch the meaning from what you wrote.
Ben

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Ben!
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Message 37 of 106 (246924)
09-28-2005 9:19 AM
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09-21-2005 3:37 PM


Re: Do not think higher of yourselves than ye ought
hu”mil”i”ty \hy-"mi-l-t, y-\ n : the quality or state of being humble
This part didn't help much, because I would just say "OK, so then what do you mean by humble?"
It seems that humble means the willingness to give up any worldly possession, including your own life. This would be resolved with "specialness" in that we're special in the world... but we must be willing to sacrifice any thing in the world. So humble means understanding that our "special" quality is of this world, and when it comes to metaphysical thoughts, it has no bearing at all.
That seems to ring a bell. Let me know if I got it wrong though.
Thanks!
Ben

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